Originally posted by Soujaboy
Even when Surfer was speeding through Asgard destroying all he saw Thor managed to keep up with him(with his eyes). Surfer even went as far as to say that the hammer(Mjolnir) was keeping up with him. Reading the comic Surfer seemed to believe that Mjolnir was as fast if not faster than he.Thor has the option of god blasting Surfer, using an anti gravity blast, an anti force blast, etc. Both have may options to defeat the other.
Thor may be able to physically fight against a black hole as BRB did.
Yes BRB did Obliterate Planets, with physical strength. I guess it's a good thing that Thor and BRB were established to be equals.😖hifty:
Surfer far more powerful than Thor? Not according to Surfer. According to Surfer Thor is more power than he is even while Surfer was amped.
More versatile? Thats debatable.
Split 5/10
talking about when SS first met Thor?
how about now...... countless time SS showed that he could K.O thor with easy.
Speed Thor can't keep up....... if SS is going 100X times Speed of light.
heck he had trouble with Gladiators speed.
Thor is indeed powerful and can K.O Surfer no problem.... but so can SS.
Thing is SS is much faster than Thor and has a lot more options.
Speed blitz , Knock his hammer off etc.....
7-10 SS.
Thor migh have stonger atk than SS ...... but SS is way to versitle to lose.
also read all the Thor and SS collabo.... SS even at weak state does better than Thor himself.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Na, Superman vs Thor, and Juggernaut vs Hulk, generate more controversy. 😛
Superman vs Thor is also a good one, but my impression is, it's controversial largely because Supes has such an immense and solid fanbase. I'm a big Superman fan (he's #2 in my book, right behind Surfer), but if one examines their powers from a detached perspective, clearly, Thor (using his hammer to full potential) should beat Superman.
Surfer and Thor, power-wise (regardless of fan base) is a much more even match-up.
For what it's worth, Hulk is my #3 fave...and hell yeah, he should beat Juggernaut... 😈 ...but that's for another thread.
Originally posted by kgkg
talking about when SS first met Thor?how about now...... countless time SS showed that he could K.O thor with easy.
Speed Thor can't keep up....... if SS is going 100X times Speed of light.
heck he had trouble with Gladiators speed.
Thor is indeed powerful and can K.O Surfer no problem.... but so can SS.
Thing is SS is much faster than Thor and has a lot more options.
Speed blitz , Knock his hammer off etc.....
7-10 SS.
Thor migh have stonger atk than SS ...... but SS is way to versitle to lose.
also read all the Thor and SS collabo.... SS even at weak state does better than Thor himself.
I've read a few of the "countless times afterwards" fights, and even then he was shown to be the more powerful of the two. In Blood in Thunder Surfer while not holding back was still in fear for his life.
He's shown to be able to keep up thus far, even in their first fight when Surfer was fighting at high speeds. Not saying Thor's faster or even as fast as Surfer, just fast enough to keep up.
And Gladiator had trouble with Mjolnir, the same weapon that Surfer's going to have trouble with.
Surfer from what I've read has never easily ko'd Thor as Thor has done him. Not even when his power was augmented by Loki, he still couldn't put Thor down.
Surfer really doesn't have more options. Like I've stated before, in both their history's they have displayed an equal number of powers. Unless of course you can prove otherwise.
To my knowledge Surfer has never speed blitzed anyone, and even when he was fighting at high speeds in his first encounter with Thor it wasn't a factor in the outcome. Surfer even went as far as questioning his speed, thinking to himself that Mjolnir may be able to keep up with him.
5-10 split
As I've stated before, the have displayed an equal number of attacks, and counters.
*Getting on soapbox, once again, to remind people that, in their first fight, SS was at a mere fraction of his original power, thanks to the sonic shark in FF#72, this power-reduction mentioned again in FF#74, #76, and in SS#2, vol 1. And at best, Loki could only have doubled SS's power, otherwise SS could not have stalemated him.*
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Originally posted by Mindship
*Getting on soapbox, once again, to remind people that, in their first fight, SS was at a mere fraction of his original power, thanks to the sonic shark in FF#72, this power-reduction mentioned again in FF#74, #76, and in SS#2, vol 1. And at best, Loki could only have doubled SS's power, otherwise SS could not have stalemated him.*
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surfer himself stated that he was more powerful than before. He felt power that he had never felt before, and stated that his blast seemed as if they weren't his own. According to Thor, Surfers blast felt like the blast of gods, and not of mortals. Never did I read that Surfer was weak.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
surfer himself stated that he was more powerful than before. He felt power that he had never felt before, and stated that his blast seemed as if they weren't his own. According to Thor, Surfers blast felt like the blast of gods, and not of mortals. Never did I read that Surfer was weak.
I know what you're saying. I've had this discussion with other Thor fans. Except for the issues I noted before, this sonic shark event was essentially forgotten, treated like it never happened. But it did.
Marvel did this to prep Surfer for his first series. Since he was trapped on Earth, the writers wanted someone less powerful, more interesting.
Eh, comics.
Originally posted by Mindship
I know what you're saying. I've had this discussion with other Thor fans. Except for the issues I noted before, this sonic shark event was essentially forgotten everywhere else, treated like it never happened. But it did.Eh, comics.
I guess the writer felt a need to ignore it, seeing as how Surfer never showed any signs of being weakened.
Originally posted by Loot
Surfer is more versatile then thor. Actually thor is not versatile at all, mjolnir is. Surfer can also absorb energy.
Originally posted by Mindship
IMO, more than any other match-up, this one generates the most controversy (and is the most fun because of so many variables involved).
Indeed. Both characters are powerful and versatile....good battle.
I stand by my early assertion that Thor would take the slight majority....Surfer can fly faster but his in-fight reflexes aren't any better, and Mjolnir does more varied things more often than Surfer does in the comics, even though he's potentially just as versatile as Thor.
P.S. That scan is fine and all, but it's kind of a cheap shot. Thor's not even paying attentioin to Surfer.
Originally posted by DigiMark007Well...
Indeed. Both characters are powerful and versatile....good battle.I stand by my early assertion that Thor would take the slight majority....Surfer can fly faster but his in-fight reflexes aren't any better, and Mjolnir does more varied things more often than Surfer does in the comics, even though he's potentially just as versatile as Thor.
P.S. That scan is fine and all, but it's kind of a cheap shot. Thor's not even paying attentioin to Surfer.
Originally posted by complexbrother
He can think and act in a nano secondIn less than a nano-second he analyses the situation and gain self confidence to escape.
Just to measure a nanosecond. A blink, an automatic one, that everybody blinks few times every minutes and we can't realize that we blink because it's so fast. It lasts fifty million nano-seconds.
In a nanosecond, the light covers only 30 centimeters.
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Yet in the comic the fight took place in he stated he was stronger than ever before.
Yup. Especially surprising considering that he fought Thor in issue #4, I believe, while in issue #2 (the one I mentioned), as Surfer was blasting away at a giant robot monster, he said something to the effect of, "Once I might've felled you with a shrug..."
Hence, my conundrum.
btw, I believe the incident I'm referring to is also the first time Surfer uses the actual term "power cosmic" (prior, it had always been just plain ol' cosmic power).