Originally posted by vince_slice
When I read that recent Thor annual I didn't get a sense that either characters were superior to the other. Not even slightly. I didn't get that sense either when I read Fraction's Mighty Thor.
Although I think Thor looked more impressive than surfer in Fraction's run. Not more powerful though.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But it happens often enough that based on the evidence, you can hardly fault someone for coming to the conclusion that Thor looked better then Surfer. How is it not clear when Surfer is on his knees doubled over while Thor is on his feet? And it's hardly a surprise, I've always regarded Thor as the tougher of the two. Fraction implied the same during their fight as well.
Unless you can provide a sufficient number of on panel instances where "on feet but clutching face in agony" > "on knees, doubled over in pain", I'll have to disagree about the fact that it is an accepted truth.
It's not clear because the artist and writer was clearly portraying "both characters are in agony" in that panel. The only difference is simply how they seemed to handle it. Thor clutched his face, Surfer doubled over. Both were pretty much helpless. Both pretty much couldn't resist what was happening to them. So I don't see how one can see one as being in a more favorable position than the other.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Surfer's no more at the dead center then Rachel is and if the light is emanating from anyone, it's from her. But like I said, I don't think that means anything and it's most likely just lighting effects.I don't believe Thor is overwhelmingly more powerful then Surfer outside of the God Blast to be clear.
Surfer has a man crush on Thor? What gave you that impression?
Don't know how I can make it any clearer, tho, man. Draw a vertical line from the topmost position, draw a horizontal one from the sidemost position of the circle. I can assure you that the Surfer's hand (along with the "light emanting" sfx) is pretty much dead center (a bit offcenter to the right). The only thing of Rachel's even close to the light emanation SFX was her left heel. So unless you think she zapped up the force field using her left heel, then I don't see how Rachel (who is more very top center than dead center-a bit offcenter to the left) is even close to as dead center as the Surfer's hand was.
Also, the light emanation SFX is only present when the force field was made. It is no longer present on the bottom panel which points out that it had more to do with being a part of the creation of the force field than it did being some random purposeless light SFX. I mean it's just too much of a coincidence that:
1) Surfer's hand was gesturing with a common "zap something up" sign.
2) An SFX that seem to indicate an outward explosion of light/energy occured (another common portrayal of something being "zapped up"😉 during the creation of the force field.
3) Surfer's hand was at the center of the light SFX (a common portrayal of something being responsible for "zapping something up"😉.
Now one can choose to ignore all those evidences and chalk them to "random coincidental artisitic portrayal" but it's just too much of a coincidence for me, tbh.
The "man crush" thing was more of a joke 😛 but it also had a lot to do with his seemingly overwhelming nearly-affectionate concern for Thor (who wasn't really showing any signs of being someone you need to be concerned about) during the seed fight.
Edit. Whew, hate typing on my Ipad.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Split I guess. Surfer didn't got a power up in annihilation though. Galactus restored him. What was restored is upto debate but since Galactus never weakened him in the first place, it was not a power up.
If both fights to the best of their abilities then Surfer wins this. There is 0 chance Surfer gets hit with Mjolnir while looking at it coming at him. Writer's stupidity there.
Anyway it looked as if Surfer was just as strong as Thor (stopping his hammer swing) so that the Bill punch ko seemed about right. So I reckon Surfer can wreck Thor with a few punches to the face after the board from behind trick. Then you have Surfer tanking Mjolnir throws and slams without any visible damage. Thor denting in Surfer's head caused damage to Thor but Surfer can just pop the dent back and be good as new.
The only chance I see for Thor is if Surfer fights stupidly (forgetting his always on natural ability of speed and reflexes)
Originally posted by h1a8
If both fights to the best of their abilities then Surfer wins this. There is 0 chance Surfer gets hit with Mjolnir while looking at it coming at him. Writer's stupidity there.Anyway it looked as if Surfer was just as strong as Thor (stopping his hammer swing) so that the Bill punch ko seemed about right. So I reckon Surfer can wreck Thor with a few punches to the face after the board from behind trick. Then you have Surfer tanking Mjolnir throws and slams without any visible damage. Thor denting in Surfer's head caused damage to Thor but Surfer can just pop the dent back and be good as new.
The only chance I see for Thor is if Surfer fights stupidly (forgetting his always on natural ability of speed and reflexes)
Pretty much.
Surfer beats Thor, even with Thor's unfair advantage (having a weapon) Amazing that some people on here are so butthurt for Thor tho; they can't believe that the overwhelming majority (look at the numbers for these polls) believe that Surfer should dominate Thor. Thor gets a lot of love due to his popularity. The writers won't show him getting thrashed by a hero that doesn't even have his own ongoing.
Originally posted by Raisen
Pretty much.
Surfer beats Thor, even with Thor's unfair advantage (having a weapon) Amazing that some people on here are so butthurt for Thor tho; they can't believe that the overwhelming majority (look at the numbers for these polls) believe that Surfer should dominate Thor. Thor gets a lot of love due to his popularity. The writers won't show him getting thrashed by a hero that doesn't even have his own ongoing.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Unless you can provide a sufficient number of on panel instances where "on feet but clutching face in agony" > "on knees, doubled over in pain", I'll have to disagree about the fact that it is an accepted truth.It's not clear because the artist and writer was clearly portraying "both characters are in agony" in that panel. The only difference is simply how they seemed to handle it. Thor clutched his face, Surfer doubled over. Both were pretty much helpless. Both pretty much couldn't resist what was happening to them. So I don't see how one can see one as being in a more favorable position than the other.
What would be a sufficient number? And what would you except? If we see Superman standing while Diana is brought to her knees by an attack, is that valid? We of course already know that Superman is more durable but shouldn't that further support my point?
Both were in agony, but I think standing on your feet indicates Thor took it better.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Don't know how I can make it any clearer, tho, man. Draw a vertical line from the topmost position, draw a horizontal one from the sidemost position of the circle. I can assure you that the Surfer's hand (along with the "light emanting" sfx) is pretty much dead center (a bit offcenter to the right). The only thing of Rachel's even close to the light emanation SFX was her left heel. So unless you think she zapped up the force field using her left heel, then I don't see how Rachel (who is more very top center than dead center-a bit offcenter to the left) is even close to as dead center as the Surfer's hand was.Also, the light emanation SFX is only present when the force field was made. It is no longer present on the bottom panel which points out that it had more to do with being a part of the creation of the force field than it did being some random purposeless light SFX. I mean it's just too much of a coincidence that:
1) Surfer's hand was gesturing with a common "zap something up" sign.
2) An SFX that seem to indicate an outward explosion of light/energy occured (another common portrayal of something being "zapped up"😉 during the creation of the force field.
3) Surfer's hand was at the center of the light SFX (a common portrayal of something being responsible for "zapping something up"😉.Now one can choose to ignore all those evidences and chalk them to "random coincidental artisitic portrayal" but it's just too much of a coincidence for me, tbh.
The "man crush" thing was more of a joke 😛 but it also had a lot to do with his seemingly overwhelming nearly-affectionate concern for Thor (who wasn't really showing any signs of being someone you need to be concerned about) during the seed fight.
Edit. Whew, hate typing on my Ipad.
Like I said, both are near the center (Surfer's off to the right a bit just as Rachel is to the left) but Rachel is in between both of them and has both her arms raised up. The majority of light is also around her body, and not Surfer's. No, I don't think Rachel's heel created the force field which is why I think this observation of lighting doesn't really indicate anything.
I'm not certain if the glow had anything to do with the creation of the force field, angular lighting or just random coincidence. Personally I believe it was there in-conjunction with the creation of the force field but I don't think it means anything conclusive.
You would have a much more concrete argument if the light was emanating from Surfer's hand. I'd agree with you then, but it's not. I think that lighting is completely independent of Surfer and if he had been removed from the scene, it would still be in that same position.
Originally posted by dmills
😂 What in the actual phuck are you guys arguing about lol?
There was a bulge emanating from somewhere in Rachel's vicinity ... I think they might have spotted Sufer's penis!
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16128491/Thor_Annual-Zone_037.jpg.html
He believes that the force field created in the second panel was by Surfer because his hand was near the center.
I think that's bullshit as Surfer's hand as well as Rachel's left foot are near the light simply because of their positioning and the glow is just lighting, not emanating or originating from either.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16128491/Thor_Annual-Zone_037.jpg.htmlHe believes that the force field created in the second panel was by Surfer because his hand was near the center.
I think that's bullshit as Surfer's hand as well as Rachel's left foot are near the light simply because of their positioning and the glow is just lighting, not emanating or originating from either.
Also, yes, Surfer's hand is at the centre of the bubble and even more tellingly, his fingers are shaped in a way as to indicate the discharge of some sort of force.
