Vader Vs. Dr. Doom

Started by Ytaker48 pages
Ytaker Humpty the whale.

Originally posted by WarSpawn
Jacen Solo and Kyp Durron would kick Doom's ass...

Not just them, I'd say that Darth Maul could do it. When it comes to the punch, Darth Vador isn't that strong; He lost in a duel to Luke, and didn't do much force wise. When the third movie comes out we can find out how strong he was at his peak. Then we put them in opposition and Doom can have a true challenge. Picture of Doom after includedrip

crazyspinz Worlds Most Dangerous Man

u guys way underestimate doom, this guy conquered the world, like 2wice, doom is a master of magic, hand to hand combat(witch he wont need) has tons of crazy death rays and such, and his armour kicks hardcore ass

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

Originally posted by crazyspinz
u guys way underestimate doom, this guy conquered the world, like 2wice, doom is a master of magic, hand to hand combat(witch he wont need) has tons of crazy death rays and such, and his armour kicks hardcore ass

1. Darth Vadar conquered many worlds, and didn't lose then in a fit of pique (Doom attacked Galactus as the silver surfer)
2. Magic is largely redundant, as the force is stonger. Doom's more skilled, and it would roughly equal out in any comic
3. Darth Vadar, and any other force user are also masters of comabt as they continuesly fight enemies. Darth Maul, for instance trained with fatal battle machines every day covered in guns and energy axes. He always won.
4. Most would be out matched by a force user, and their spidy senses.
5. True, but a force blow can cut through almost anything. This is going to be a closely contested fight, even if i think Doom will probably eventually win.

crazyspinz Worlds Most Dangerous Man

vader didnt conquer worlds on his own, hes got this little possy, called the empire, maybe youve herd of it, u know, big round ship, big lasers..........
none of those wourlds had people as strong as eath on it either

and plus, u gave an example of maul, not vader, and doom can do way more things with his magic than vader does with the force

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

To conquer A world bY Taker

I remember when he did it with the silver surfer's power. How's he do it the other time? But back to my ineveitable victory

1. I gave an example of Maul as his attitude is what they have to do. Force warriors have to fight or they die. Darth Vadar lived till the end of the organised empire.
2. Prove that Darth Vadar never faced anybody with a few laser cannon things, heavy armour, flamethrowers... the marvel stuff, which he has faced in battles, e.g star wars II, drones, that beast in the galditorium, molten metal pots.
3. I explained this. Force users can cancel out magic. Doom is powerful and skilled, but he'd have trouble with powerful magic.
4. Prove it. We see very little chance for him but he suggests that he could destroy the deathstar. Since he know where the core is, i see no reason to contest this.

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

But i will take a nap. I'm beat. Goodnight my opposition.

Swanky-Tuna Post-Crisis Balki

The force can cancel magic? You mean like the strongest weilder wins or as in any moderately trained jedi could completely nullify people like Dr. Strange or Dr. Fate?

WarSpawn Archaic Seraph

strongest wielder

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The force can cancel magic? You mean like the strongest weilder wins or as in any moderately trained jedi could completely nullify people like Dr. Strange or Dr. Fate?

I'd say that a moderately powerful user could nullify any weaker sorcerer. The top ones, like strange and doom probably wouldn't be able to use ones that were exposed to a reposs, but any highly skilled spell that was adapt at dodging reality.

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

A fireball would be impossible. First, you create something out of nothing which contravenes a law of physics. Next, the thing heats without anything burning, or rubbing together. Then, you move the absence of stuff to another location. Then you make it expand.

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

But really, can somebody tell me with how Doom conquered the world without some super being's power?

who?-kid Senior Member

Originally posted by Ytaker
3. I explained this. Force users can cancel out magic. Doom is powerful and skilled, but he'd have trouble with powerful magic.

Sigh... again, the Force has nothing to do with the Marvel Universe, so you can not compare them !! Why oh why is this so hard to understand ? The Force-defenders of this forum use the most far fetched logics to try to prove that the Force is stronger than plain "Marvel magic".

(And thank God you can't compare normal Marvel magic with the Force, cause based on what I've seen and read, the Force loses. I have seen some very impressive magic stuff from the Marvel Universe, but not from the Star Wars Universe.

But again, comparing them is useless because ...sigh... why do I even bother ?)

Ytaker Humpty the whale.
Originally posted by who?-kid
I have seen some [b]very impressive magic stuff from the Marvel Universe, but not from the Star Wars Universe.
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I'll detail several actions that are incredible for a person to do-
1. For a human to survive in space, without a force field, food, water, air, armour etc for several days
2. To pull a ship out of the centre of the sun with your mind. It would weigh millions of tons, be in a super dense ball of metal, and would have to go from five to ten hundred thousand kilometers
3. Make a puny guy like Yoda wizz around like a ping pong ball
4. Teleport somebody to another planet
5. Give somebody the ability to drive a ship better than Han Solo, and fire better than Han Solo, of which Han could only do one well ( Luke fired from the cockpit, not the guns like Han would).

Look, in a ***neutral*** universe, the force could nullify some of Doom's magic. I don't see why you find this hard to accept.

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

On the star one, i believe that the super dense ball of metal is wrong, as the sun is made of hydrogen and helium. It would still be heavy due to the gravity.

who?-kid Senior Member

Originally posted by Ytaker
Look, in a neutral universe, the force could nullify some of Doom's magic. I don't see why you find this hard to accept.

But you don't get it. You say that in a neutral universe, the force "could nullify some of Doom's magic". You're making things up, inventing stuff.

There is ABSOLUTELY no proof for this. I don't see why you find it hard to accept that the Star Wars Universe is NOT the Marvel Universe, so nobody (read : nobody) can predict how the Force and magic will influence each other.

It's all speculation based on "let's assume this and that", nothing more.

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

Originally posted by who?-kid

There is ABSOLUTELY no proof for this. I don't see why you find it hard to accept that the Star Wars Universe is NOT the Marvel Universe, so nobody (read : nobody) can predict how the Force and magic will influence each other.

I heard somebody say that Force users managed to stop magic in the star wars world. So, whilst it certainly wouldn't be as effective (to begin with) with marvel magic, the same logic would apply. It would be a fair fight as they would have rough equal supernatural strength. That's how crossovers often work; the two characters are allowed to use their power, Darth Vadar, force strength, Dr Doom, magic skill. Vadar might well be outmatched in the magic field, but he'd get a chance due to the anti magic ability he has. Understand?

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

Regardless of our prior debate, how'd Doom conquer the world under his own steam?

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

Oh and... Can anybody predict how anything would happen? Yes, for we can write out a mental storyline.

who?-kid Senior Member

Originally posted by Ytaker
I heard somebody say that Force users managed to stop magic in the star wars world. So, whilst it certainly wouldn't be as effective (to begin with) with marvel magic, the same logic would apply. It would be a fair fight as they would have rough equal supernatural strength. That's how crossovers often work; the two characters are allowed to use their power, Darth Vadar, force strength, Dr Doom, magic skill. Vadar might well be outmatched in the magic field, but he'd get a chance due to the anti magic ability he has. Understand?

Don't take this the wrong way, but you have much to learn...
I heard somebody say that Force users managed to stop magic in the star wars world.

You heard somebody say... not very convincing if you ask me
So, whilst it certainly wouldn't be as effective (to begin with) with marvel magic, the same logic would apply.

No it wouldn't. You keep making the same mistake. Two completely different universes with their own origins and their own rules. Apples and oranges and pure speculation without the slightest proof. You assume too much.
That's how crossovers often work; the two characters are allowed to use their power, Darth Vadar, force strength, Dr Doom, magic skill.

That's also the reason why lots of crossovers suck.

By the way : it's Darth Vader, not Darth Vadar.

Ytaker Humpty the whale.

I know my arguments aren't perfect, but you're dismissing some of them unfairly. Read back a bit and you'll find somebody says that magic is stopped. Private message them about it to find out the truth. If they can't remember a single thing, then they can tell me and I’ll accept defeat in this arena

Next, to the problem of opposing magical forces. In any neutral universe, every possibility can be explored. If Doomsday could magically fart out particles, which destroy energy when at 3010mph then at 3010mph, the battle pod will be. The force can do anything to magic that it can do in the Jedi universe. Otherwise, the neutral universe is biased in favour of Marvel. Equally so, it can't let all that skill of Doom go to waste, so he could use subtle spells.

Finally, you haven't answered my question. How the heck did Doom conquer the world, in a non-silver surfer capacity?