Fate

i want to belive that everything has a reason, but sometimes it is very hard,
when you think about all the cruelty, wars and terrorism. i really fail to see the higher point in what has happen in the Bieslan as example 😕

Why should everything happen for a reason?

I just farted. Now what's the deep philosophical reason for that happening?

lol,

But saying that everything happens for a reason implyes that we have no control over what we do, and that we have basicly no free will. This also implyes that there is some sort of superior being somewhere pulling all the strings. And I disagree with that.

WTF

True atheists believe that everything that happens on and off this world happens by chance.

Some scientists have even tried to measure the mathematical chances of what is called the chaos-theory....unsuccessfully so far.

I say that if there is a supreme entity up there in the sky that is making it all happen to his/her/it's plan then his/her/it's ways of thinking are far above my poor brain.

This supreme entity must be the most twisted and cruel superbeing that has ever been created.......AND......created by whom, I would also like to ask ?

NA.....What happens to us is our own making and changes from microsecond to microsecond by pure chance.

I've never believed in the whole "fate" thing, I hate the idea that I'm not at all in control of my own life.

Originally posted by Darth Revan
I've never believed in the whole "fate" thing, I hate the idea that I'm not at all in control of my own life.

Yeah...you are right Darth.....

I will add that bit to my "chance" theory above and make it that everything that happens to us that is not by chance is by our own direction.

At least I hope so !

I believe some stuff is down to fate - i think fate gives us opportunities but its up to us to take them. if that makes sense

Then...it isn't fate.

If every thing happens for a reason and we cannot grasp this reason then that doesn't mean that there is no reason.

I have faith in my destiny, I don't know what it is yet (or do I?) but there is some reason pulling me there (and som magic).

so are you saying that whatever you do or not do, if you're destined for something, it will happen?
so if a person sits around all day and do nothing all his life, then is it because of he is destined to achieve nothing, therefor he does nothing to achieve anything? or is it because he does nothing to achieve anything, therefor he achieves nothing?

I don't believe it is so. Like The Omega said, why should everything happen for a reason? We are all in control of our own actions and responsible for their consequences. Thus we are also in control of our destiny.

i believe that there is a reason behind everything, and that we have paths which we are supposed to follow throughout our lives

There are reasons why things happen.
Now does that mean everything happens for a reason?

you just answered your own question with your first sentence

Perhaps we should separate "for a reason" and "meaning". Things do happen for a reason, as when I drop my cup and it crashes to the floor, it does so because of gravity. There is just no deeper MEANING behind it.
If I go to kick the local Hells Angels biker in the face, I can safely say, that when I find myself at the hospital the next morning, there was a reason for it. But again... No deeper meaning.

We follow no pre-ordained paths. If we did, there would be no free will, and the obvious qquestion would be: What (or who) set those paths out?

Perhaps we should separate "for a reason" and "meaning".

Heh, good idea. I was saying that I don't believe all things in the universe happen for some divine/unknown/greater purpose.

The idea of fate is intriguing, but improbable. We make our own fate.

Ultimately I think everything happens for a reason, but not because a Deity wishes it to be, or because of fate. We are slaves to cause and effect. Every action has a reaction, thus there is a reason for everything, but it is natural, not a conscious reason, just the laws of cause and effect.