The Bible

Started by dadudemon147 pages

Originally posted by Bardock42
Do you confuse "observant" with "reading all your posts"?

I want to know for the same reason you doubted my right to discuss astrophysics.

Now, you know mine, be fair and tell me yours.

In my personal studies, I have been studying astrophysics for a little more than 12 years. I am 24. I started studying astronomy when I was nine and got into the math of astrophysics when I was about 10, by the time I was 11, I had my on photonic property theory. (If you don't believe that...I have several witnesses to both my studying the math involved in astrophysics and my subsequent theories evolving from that, but how would I prove that without you meeting them in person with me there?...Anyway I was a little nerd when I was younger. (This theory explained the relationship between gravity and photonic energy and why mass-less objects are affected by gravity.(Namely black holes)) (They are going to look for that property in the new particle accelerator being built, and no, they are not doing it because a child came up with that theory...haha...someone else though of it too.)

I went to “college” for 6 semesters for a general physics degree but later quit to start working on a medical degree and then later quit that too. I will have to check the transcript but I might have to go 3-4 more semesters for a BS degree in general physics.

Lately, though, I haven't had much time to review very much new work in the field of astrophysics...my career is IT now and I am studying for a few certification right now.

You probably took a few physics classes your self. I find the hardest subject in physics to be Fluid Dynamics. (Most people said it was electricity…but that seemed easy to me.) Yes…I could do the math and get the questions right but I sometimes missed what I just figured out…it was the conceptual part that was hard for me. My professors loved it that I had already memorized a lot of the formulas...one of them got pissed at me because I ruined a presentation by answering a question we weren't supposed to know the answer to yet.

What was hardest for you? (Math or Physics.)

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Did god also inspire all the changes that were made over the last 2000 years? Did god also inspire the incorrect information in the bible?

I tend to agree with this guy on this statement…there are too many mistakes…it was obviously written by man, but…I also think that most of the bible was inspired of God and then written by man..

Originally posted by dadudemon
...I tend to agree with this guy on this statement…there are too many mistakes…it was obviously written by man, but…I also think that most of the bible was inspired of God and then written by man..

Then so is the Koran or any other holy book.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then so is the Koran or any other holy book.

I don't think I made my point clear...that was my fault.

What I mean is...as a Christian...I believe that God had a hand in the bible. I also believe that man changed and warped what God intended.

I also believe that any book that is edifying or uplifting to the spirit of the individual reading them...it is in one way or another, of God. I am all about positive religion..no matter the religion...negative religion is what I do not like. (Such as the crusades...suicide bombings...and other religious human sacrifices.)

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
[b]You, my buddy, are the most hostile person on KMC Religion Forums.

-Lack of Evidense of existance of God
-Reason
-Logic
-Bible contradicting Science
-Bible contradicting Reality
-Bible contradicting itself
-Bible copying Pagan stories
-Illogical and unrealistic stories from the Bible
-Bible portraying God as an immature, jealous, wrathful man
-Bible preaching hostility and violence
-Bible preaching revenge
-Bible supporting slavery and genocide
-Earth NOT being the Center of Creation
-Facts which make the Bible appear false
-The Fact that the Bible was written by MEN
-Bible being sexist
-Bible having logical paradoxes
-Descriptions of God being contradicting
-Error in the Bible- two chapters under different authors and titles are simply replicas of eachother
-Bible demeaning the role and existance of women
-Adam and Eve story is fiction
-Lack of mention of Dinosaurs, how do they fit in?
-Evolution discreditting creationism
-Fact that Creationism has no evidense to back it up
-Bible claiming that animals were meant to serve man, even though there are thousands of animal species which exist independent from human race, and do not serve us in anyway
-Bible telling us to loathe Earth, because of its evil
- religions which preceded Christianity, Islam, and Judaism
-Existance of Hell being illogical if God is all loving
-existance of Hell being illogical period
-lack of evidense for existance of heaven and hell
-lack of evidense for existance of Satan
-lack of evidense for existance of angels
-lack of evidense for existance of demons
-paradox of Omnipotence

It seems as though beleiving in God actually causes more problems than not beleiving....

I can go on and on..would you like me to ?

1) Science is not in the business of proving negatives.

2) What positive evidense is there that Disproves the existance of Zeus ? Or Santa Clause ? Or the Tooth Fairy ?

3) Let me ASK YOU, What EVIDENCE backs up God's existance ?

There is absolutely no physical evidense to prove God's existance though, is there ? Kinda caught yourself there..... 🙄

What evidense is there that God is the creator of reality, separate from it, and that he much less even exists ?

We invented the definition of God, we also invented God

So how can you rightly testify that he does exist ?

THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU, NOT US

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I beleive that God is the Universe, not a sentient being. God changes, grows, and exists through us. While you beleive that God is separate from us, I beleive God is us. God isn't male or female, God is everything. That is my beleif.

I don't have to prove a thing, because I am not claiming my beleif as fact. However, you are claiming your beleif as fact, so therefore, IT IS YOU WHO MUST SUPPLY PROOF FOR YOUR CLAIMS

-Existance of Hell is illogical
-If God cannot be defined within the confines of logic, then God's existance is illogical by default.
-Biblical contradictions, there are masses of them
-The dinosaurs existed, the Bible makes no mention of them. Why did they exist for millions of years only to be wiped out ? This conflicts with the concept of Creationism greatly
-The Bible cannot make up its mind whether or not animal came first, or man came first
-Why is God sexist ?
-How can God be all loving, but still utilize Hell as punishment ? that is illogical.
-Free Will and Omnipotence/Omniscience cannot co exist. God is either all powerful and all knowing, or we have free will. You can't logically have it both ways, and its already explained why in other threads.
-If humans have free will, and animals don't, why do animals make choices ?
-If animals were meant to serve man, like the Bible says, then why do so many animals exist that do not serve man, in fact, attack man as well ?
-Logical Paradox of Omnipotence, alreayd explained in other threads
-If God is infinite and all powerful and so great, how can a self-contradicting book possibly explain him to us?
-Moses committed genocide against Canaan under God's decree, that is not Love
-God burnt down Sodom and Gomorrha, that is not love
-God is actually more violent and terrifying than Satan, that makes no sense if we are supposed to love God and he love us as well

And two other threads I made posed these logical problems and NO Christian was able to answer them:

1) If you make it to Heaven, but someone you love ends up in Hell, how can you possibly have eternal happiness in Heaven knowing your loved one is burning in Hell ? How can ANYONE in Heaven be happy knowing that other people are being tortured for all eternity ?

That is selfish....that cannot be possible that someone can be all loving, and have eternal bliss, when they know full well that others are suffering greatly for eternity

Explain that to me..how will Heaven be bliss if Hell exists?

2)The concept of Hell itself poses a Great Logical Problem.

You, Marcello, are a parent. And I ask this of all parents. If you child disobeys you, would you send them to a place where they will be tortured ? Like a concentration camp?

If your child did not beleive in you, or thought your words to be false, even when you were right, would you torture them?

If you love them, then obviously the answer is no. You would not torture your own children, even if they killed someone.

So God, who is supposed to love us more than our own parents do, who is supposed to be Love Embodied...

Would send us to Hell why ?

How could a God, a being, who loves us like a parent, or even more so, possibly condemn or judge or consign us to a place where we will be tormented for all eternity and/or destroyed ?

That makes absolutely no sense, and I dare you to try and explain that for me.

I didn't say there was NO GOD...I said there is no CHRISTIAN GOD.

The Bible, and its mythology pose to many contradictions and logical problems. Therefore, It is highly reasonable, even probably, to conclude that the Christian God does not exist.

Once again...

THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON YOU.

Because of the logical problems and contradictions that the Bible and its mythology pose, it is REASONABLE to CONCLUDE that the Christian version of God is non existant.

However, YOU as well as OTHERS (JIA) make claim that he DOES EXIST. That is a BOLD CLAIM. So if you claim this as Truth, then it is YOUR DUTY to PROVE IT. [/B]

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=303703&pagenumber=115

Marcello, my buddy, I took the time to respond to your posts. Please respond to mine, thank you.

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=303703&pagenumber=115

[b]Marcello, my buddy, I took the time to respond to your posts. Please respond to mine, thank you. [/B]

***What are your credentials that entitles you to make such statements. Too, please provide the evidence for these credentials.

Marchello

Originally posted by Marchello
***What are your credentials that entitles you to make such statements. Too, please provide the evidence for these credentials.

Marchello

There is no way a real Christian would act this way.

Originally posted by Marchello
***What are your credentials that entitles you to make such statements. Too, please provide the evidence for these credentials.

Marchello

Why not just answer my responses and stop being a coward ? 😬

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no way a real Christian would act this way.

Agreed. You can't claim to be a follower of Christ's words and then be a dick to people.

Anyway, credentials? Hell, I know some old ladys who have studied Christianity so much that they would put to shame any Preacher or Pasteur...when it comes to religion...anyone can be an expert with tons of study...and on the flip side...you can be a complete idiot and become a licensed Preacher/Pasteur.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no way a real Christian would act this way.

Except the arrogant, "holier then thou" kind, of which the are plenty. Of course then one can go into the area as to whether they are really existing in the true spirit of Christianity (which they don't) even if they are by broad definition.

***What are your credentials that entitles you to make such statements. Too, please provide the evidence for these credentials.

Marchello

Out if interest what are your credentials?

Originally posted by dadudemon
In my personal studies, I have been studying astrophysics for a little more than 12 years. I am 24. I started studying astronomy when I was nine and got into the math of astrophysics when I was about 10, by the time I was 11, I had my on photonic property theory. (If you don't believe that...I have several witnesses to both my studying the math involved in astrophysics and my subsequent theories evolving from that, but how would I prove that without you meeting them in person with me there?...Anyway I was a little nerd when I was younger. (This theory explained the relationship between gravity and photonic energy and why mass-less objects are affected by gravity.(Namely black holes)) (They are going to look for that property in the new particle accelerator being built, and no, they are not doing it because a child came up with that theory...haha...someone else though of it too.)

I went to “college” for 6 semesters for a general physics degree but later quit to start working on a medical degree and then later quit that too. I will have to check the transcript but I might have to go 3-4 more semesters for a BS degree in general physics.

Lately, though, I haven't had much time to review very much new work in the field of astrophysics...my career is IT now and I am studying for a few certification right now.

You probably took a few physics classes your self. I find the hardest subject in physics to be Fluid Dynamics. (Most people said it was electricity…but that seemed easy to me.) Yes…I could do the math and get the questions right but I sometimes missed what I just figured out…it was the conceptual part that was hard for me. My professors loved it that I had already memorized a lot of the formulas...one of them got pissed at me because I ruined a presentation by answering a question we weren't supposed to know the answer to yet.

Quite impressive. Why did you change for medicine though. And how did it come that you do IT work now?

Originally posted by dadudemon
What was hardest for you? (Math or Physics.)

I did not take any Physics so far (not sure if I ever will, it just doesn't interest me as much as the mathematics).

My father is rather interested in it though and tries to get me to consider it more.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Quite impressive. Why did you change for medicine though. And how did it come that you do IT work now?

Well, I did some research into the pay earned by astrophysicists...and they don't get paid very well considering how extremely hard to earn a PhD in that field it is...in other words...I would put forth all of that effort for one of the hardest degrees in the world to earn and yet, I would get paid less than $100K a year.

I chose to pursue an MD because my second interest was the human body. After I started doing my work towards the MD, I got married and then my wife got pregnant. I had to quit school because she had to stop working and I needed to work full time. I am good with computers and a nice IT job opened up...it required a bachelors in Computer science or another IT BS degree but I circumvented that requirement by producing evidence that "I knew my stuff" and I got the job. (In the IT field, experience and certifications are usually more important than a degree; they care about what you KNOW versus what a piece of paper says you know.)

Originally posted by Bardock42
I did not take any Physics so far (not sure if I ever will, it just doesn't interest me as much as the mathematics).

If I am not mistaken, I think you will have to take one or two semesters of physics...even for my MD, I had to have taken two semesters of physics.

Originally posted by Bardock42
My father is rather interested in it though and tries to get me to consider it more.

Well, depending on how far you go into your Mathematics degree, you may have to take theoretical mathematics that can be just as hard as any theoretical physics course you would take. If I am not mistaken. I'm talking about math that is not even similar to what we "know" math as. (Different and new number systems...fake universes and doing math in that universe...etc)

ewwww I hate university math....well the math they do for the bsc in math.
I'll stick to physics, calculus and engineeing math hehe.

Except the arrogant, "holier then thou" kind, of which the are plenty. Of course then one can go into the area as to whether they are really existing in the true spirit of Christianity (which they don't) even if they are by broad definition.

And those who are not Christians by definition showing more understand and compassion as Jesus did

-DJ

They dont care about the compassion and love Jesus showed here on earth. TO them the ONLY THING important about JEsus is that he came here to die for our sins etc etc.

-F

Originally posted by fini
They dont care about the compassion and love Jesus showed here on earth. TO them the ONLY THING important about JEsus is that he came here to die for our sins etc etc.

-F

LMAO

I'm tired of people telline me I'm going to hell. It's just not Jesus like.. ❌

Originally posted by debbiejo
I'm tired of people telline me I'm going to hell. It's just not Jesus like.. ❌

It's ok, you're not going to hell, you're going to Disneyland. Euro-Disneyland.

Originally posted by debbiejo
I'm tired of people telline me I'm going to hell. It's just not Jesus like.. ❌

***(1)Jesus reminds a woman about her adulterous affairs [Matthew 5:32;John 4:18].
(2)Jesus hurts someone's feelings [Matthew 19:21-22].
(3)Jesus calls a group of religious people "evil" snakes [Matthew 16:23].
(4)Jesus calls one of His own disciples "Satan" [Matthew 16:23]. Gee, it was "pope" Peter!!!
(5)Jesus accuses one of His disciples of being "a devil" [John 6:70].
(6)Jesus taught that MANY people will one day BURN IN HELL. Everyone likes to think about the "God loves you" Jesus...but no one wants to think about the "You're going to burn in HELL" Jesus. Well, here He is: "Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, 'Depart from me, ye CURSED, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels...' [Matthew 25:41-46].
(7)Jesus said, do it my way, or BURN IN HELL when you die: "Jesus saith unto him, 'I am the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me' [John 14:6]. Simply put...it's JESUS or HELL! Opray Winfrey is on the WRONG path...Imperial Sumara is on the WRONG path...Goddess Kali is on the WRONG path...FeceMan is on the WRONG path...MOST of humanity is on the WRONG path. There is only ONE path--->Jesus Christ--->the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.

Marchello

Clarification: Jesus was not addressing his disciple in Matthew 16:23, but was directly speaking to Satan who was speaking through Peter. Second, preaching to non-believers is different than teaching believers.