The Bible

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Keep defending the "word of God" all you want...that's your belief. I'll keep believing that your "word of God" is nothing more than some righteous ideas thought up by HUMAN BEINGS.....NOT GOD.

Thanks, I think we will keep defending the word of God. The point is, however, that even you said that its "righteous", so regardless of who thought it up - God or Man - its still a belief and a way of life that a lot of people hold to.

Lets say, for argument's sake, that Christianity and the teachings of the bible *were* thought up by men (and for the record, no, I dont believe that it was, but as stated, this is just for argument's sake). Even if they were, how much of a better place would this world be if everyone was to follow the bible's teachings. It teaches us to love others, not judge people, be honest, caring, kind, considerate, etc. Nowhere does it say "be unkind to people who hurt you" or "its okay to steal, rape and murder". If everyone followed these teachings then, regardless of whether it was from man or God, it would make this world a better place. 🙂

Originally posted by Linkalicious
oh really?

and who pray tell might these scholars be?

A) Would you know them if I told you?
B) it doesn't make me an expert, but a well-informed layman who knows what the debates are, what the issues are in the entire debate, I understand the lingo and I can have a normal conversation with them on the topic without being completely overwhelmed by what they say.
C) the list includeds biblical historians, syro-Palestinian archaeologists, Old Testament scholars, Egyptologists and a couple of people on the more controversial side. And these people ae not all believers and not all for an all-historical Bible either, the scope is broad. So I think I can truly say that I have a pretty good view on the matter. Better than most of you anyway. Enough to know all your easy judgements are based on very little.

and as BF said child molesting priests

Too bad you have such a limited mind, SK. I thought we were having a normal debate here.

Originally posted by ninjaturtle
Thanks, I think we will keep defending the word of God. The point is, however, that even you said that its "righteous", so regardless of who thought it up - God or Man - its still a belief and a way of life that a lot of people hold to.

Yes, I do agree that it is a way of life, and that is one of the reasons I do not particularly have a huge problem with religion, I just choose not to believe in it, because with it or without it, i'm still the person that I am.

Lets say, for argument's sake, that Christianity and the teachings of the bible *were* thought up by men (and for the record, no, I dont believe that it was, but as stated, this is just for argument's sake).

EVER SINGLE BOOK ON THIS PLANET has been thought up and written by man, the notion that it would be ANY OTHER WAY, is why your logic and your beliefs make no sense. God didn't write the book and he didn't tell a man what to write in the book....A man thought it up, and said it was "in the word of God." Unless God has a type writer none of us know about...🙄

Even if they were, how much of a better place would this world be if everyone was to follow the bible's teachings. It teaches us to love others, not judge people, be honest, caring, kind, considerate, etc.

You have to be taught to love? Wow, I was capable of doing that without ever reading a book. I loved my mother and father before I was even old enough to grasp the concept of love...or the bible.
Not judge people? Explain Christian views on gay people and homosexuals. Thanks...
Be honest? Noah built an Arc with 2 of every animal on it, Moses parted the Red Sea, and Jesus came back to life. Unprobable? nahh.....IMPOSSIBLE. ✅

Nowhere does it say "be unkind to people who hurt you" or "its okay to steal, rape and murder". If everyone followed these teachings then, regardless of whether it was from man or God, it would make this world a better place. 🙂

You DON'T need a book to know right from wrong. It doesn't take the bible to know that taking another person's life is wrong. You don't need the bible to know not to steal. Being a good person doesn't require religion, and people who aren't into religion are not instantly bad people.

The problem with killing and murdering can't be pointed to people who don't belong to a religion, but it can be pointed to people who have strong beliefs in religion. Muslim's aren't supposed to kill, anymore than Christians are....yet what do we have in the Middle East?

It's not a holy war, but it is a war that is still be fought due primarily to people who's RELIGIOUS views differ from that of your own. Of course, there's that whole, oil, money, invasion detail....😄 But none the less...people in the Middle East hate Westerner's because Western beliefs differ from that of their own.

Originally posted by queeq
A) Would you know them if I told you?
B) it doesn't make me an expert, but a well-informed layman who knows what the debates are, what the issues are in the entire debate, I understand the lingo and I can have a normal conversation with them on the topic without being completely overwhelmed by what they say.
C) the list includeds biblical historians, syro-Palestinian archaeologists, Old Testament scholars, Egyptologists and a couple of people on the more controversial side. And these people ae not all believers and not all for an all-historical Bible either, the scope is broad. So I think I can truly say that I have a pretty good view on the matter. Better than most of you anyway. Enough to know all your easy judgements are based on very little.

In the 24 hours since you've made that claim. You've failed to mention one name. Even if I didn't know who the individual was, if they were "world reknown" then it wouldn't be difficult to research that individual, or their views.

This whole paragraph I am quoting does nothing more than show that you lied about your claim.

Please prove me wrong, provide names, sources, or references...until then, you have done nothing but make a faulty claim.

I agree with Link on the thing about not needing a book to know what's right and wrong.

If you need a book to know killing/raping/ etc. is wrong, then I only see you fit to go to either a psychiatrist or under constant surveillance by "a big brother".

Thing is by putting stuff in a book there are a lot of people that will follow it because no matter what, there are always those the DO BELIEVE everything they read!

perfect, I'm gonna make my own religion now 😊

Originally posted by Linkalicious
In the 24 hours since you've made that claim. You've failed to mention one name. Even if I didn't know who the individual was, if they were "world reknown" then it wouldn't be difficult to research that individual, or their views.

This whole paragraph I am quoting does nothing more than show that you lied about your claim.

Please prove me wrong, provide names, sources, or references...until then, you have done nothing but make a faulty claim.

If that's gonna convince you.... I'll give you a view names, You can Google around if you want: Prof. Manfred Bietak - Vienna, Prof. Alan Lloyd - Swansea, Prof. Geoffrey Martin - Cambridge, Dr. Nicholas Reeves - Oxford, Dr. Jonathan Tubb - British Museum, Dr. Aren Maeir - Bar Ilan, Dr. John Bimson - Bristol, Dr. Bryant Wood, Dr. Margreet Steiner - Leiden, Dr. Janssen-Winkler - Berlin, Dr. Aidan Dodson - Bristol

There are more but I doubt it'll add more to the debate.

pfff, Leiden, what a crappy uni... now Leuven, those guys rock 😛 😉

No, that is more than sufficient enough....thank you queeq.

Originally posted by yerssot
pfff, Leiden, what a crappy uni... now Leuven, those guys rock 😛 😉

A good fried of mine, an Old Testament scholar graduated at Leuven. He's not Belgian though 😛

Originally posted by Linkalicious
No, that is more than sufficient enough....thank you queeq.

Good. Now, where were we?

Originally posted by queeq
A good fried of mine, an Old Testament scholar graduated at Leuven. He's not Belgian though 😛

hmmm, must explain why that chap I know, passed his first year too 😛

The last sentence is complete gibberish again, yerss. Did you take your medicine?

should I?
as always, didn't say anything important

I know. But no one else needs to find out.

WindDancer> Ah, but tell me this: Are Kant, St. Thomas, Descartes and Eigena experts on the existence of God?
See: If such an omnipotent and omnipresent being as a God exists, then surely he/she/it will be everywhere to see. The philosophical arguments always run into the “IMAGINE if…” before offering something which is NOT proof.
The Bible is filled with stories of God actively intervening. Why did he/she/it stop?
Are miracles the work of God?
If so, does God or does God NOT intervene?

”Again the millions of deaths that happen in wars, famine, and poverty are human responsibilities.”
But as BF pointed out: A human parent is responsible for the actions of his/her child, until the child comes of age. We are God’s children – therefore God is responsible for our actions. Surely you don’t mean to say, that we are NOT Gods children.

”We can't keep blaming deities for OUR own mess!”
They MADE us – made us what we are, with our potentials and gifts and talents.

”I guess for God to be good he/she must probably take away our free will. Which we've used so far to make a dump out of our world. Yeah, what would happen if God takes away our free will.......but that only applies if you believe in God....so nevermind.”
So if I believe in God he takes away my free will? There are millions who believe in God, yet the world doesn’t look too good. So must every single human on the planet believe in God, before he helps his children?

” Just one simple question for you. Can Evolutionist and Creationist work together to find our purpose in life? Because I heard of Religious people that take science seriously. And I also heard of Scientist that take religion seriously. Maybe we should try it as well?”
A creationist does NOT take science seriously (please, revisit the Evolutions thread). But there are as you say religious people who do not take their books literal, and accept science, just as there are religious scientists. It’s a matter of how fundamental the religious people are.

No. Science is not a child – or do you claim the computer you sit by is a piece of cake? 😉

Jury> I’ll just let the beginning of your post stand for itself.
Me :”Let me ask you this: According to your belief must one know God and embrace him to be saved and go to Heaven?”

You: ”Just one of God's commandments.”
So… What about all the people on the planet who existed before the invention of Judaism and Christianity? They’re in hell?
What about all the people living at the time of Judaisms invention in far-away lands, like Australia and North America, with no chance of EVER hearing the word of God. Are they in Hell, too?

BF> Nahh, nothing bad. The phaedophile priest retort was just ALMOST too evil…

NinjaTurtle> What about all the atrocities committed in the name of God?

Queeq> Eh… what is that list of names supposed to mean? Guys you’ve talked to? And… ?

Yerssot> Hey, can I be your disciple?

only time will tell