The Bible

Originally posted by BackFire
And what of the homosexuals that HAVE accepted God as their savior, and are still gay? Why hasn't God changed them?
The fact is, they shouldn't have to change in order to get on good terms with God. If they are good, decent, honest people who aren't hurting anyone, God should already love them and not worry about something as trivial as who they happen to be attracted to.

Hey somewhat coincidentally, we did a thing on this at youth group last night 😛 Its true that the Bible tells us homosexuality is wrong (as Ninjaturtle said, somewhere in Leviticus and there's a passage in Romans...........ahh about chapter 1 verse 24 or something) and as the other guys said, no one should treat gay ppl any diferently coz of their sexual preference. However, by accepting God, you're asking to be changed to live for him and you should realise pretty quick that its not right in Gods eyes. That doesnt mean God doesnt love you tho! I have a friend who's Christian and has feelings for ppl of the same sex as him but he doesnt act on them.
And i know there was a really good point i had but i cant remember what it was. 😕 oh never mind.

And guys the socking is getting a little far, leave nijaturtle alone. She's given her views, BF you've given yours. 😛

TRue true, when you become a Christain, you want to do Gods WAys, you don't come to God, with everything in your life all put together, he helps you to do that, and YOUR desires will change.

Originally posted by The Omega
Jury> You didn’t answer my question. What about the people who never heard of God and couldn’t embrace any commandments?
What about all the people on the planet who existed before the invention of Judaism and Christianity? They’re in hell?
What about all the people living at the time of Judaisms invention in far-away lands, like Australia and North America, with no chance of EVER hearing the word of God. Are they in Hell, too?

Those who lived faithful to God has God's promise of salvation. From the very beginning up to the end of time.
And those who disobeyed Him will be destined to die.

Those who sinned under the law will be judged under the law.
And those who sinned apart from the law will be judged apart from the law.

All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.

Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.
Romans 2:14-15

For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things
I John 3:20

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THis is getting way off topic now people. It's time for this to move to the Philosophy Forum.

Originally posted by The Omega
Jury> You didn’t answer my question. What about the people who never heard of God and couldn’t embrace any commandments?
What about all the people on the planet who existed before the invention of Judaism and Christianity? They’re in hell?
What about all the people living at the time of Judaisms invention in far-away lands, like Australia and North America, with no chance of EVER hearing the word of God. Are they in Hell, too?

Originally posted by The Omega
WindDancer> But your philosophers are not experts – obviously. They did NOT prove the existence of God. If they did – humour me: Show me 😉

So with that statement I can see that you will either reject or not acknowledge ANY philosophical proofs of God. Or are YOU a better expert than philosophers? Besides, I'm not a jester and you're not a queen so I'm not here for your amusement. 😉 😛

But for the purpose of the argument. I'm willing to discuss philosophical thoughts of God as long as they are taken seriously. No, I'm not saying we can't find humor in a discussion, but is better to keep humor out and be a little bit serious. After all, these are our opinions, right? If you're willing to, we can start a philosophical arguement with Ex Nihilo and Cogitatum. Or maybe Emanation?.

Originally posted by The Omega
And there is a big difference between scientists investigating something which is THERE for all to see, gravity, planets and moons, and philosophers discussing the possible existence of a superhuman being. Which can be neither seen, heard, felt, tasted, touched or measured.

I agree, there is a big difference between scientist and philosophers. But back in the ol' days science and philosophy held hands together. After all scientist obey their laws and their experiments from which their facts come from. But occasionaly they do tend to change or revise their theories. Philosophers think too much and scientist are materialist.

Originally posted by The Omega
But you obviously believe in God, right? Then are we Gods children or are we NOT Gods children? God is God, right?
This God and we being his children topic really bothers you, or what? 😑
Saying I keep bringing this up is NOT answering my questions, nor participating the debate.
Tell me: Why is the opposite of free will being completely without will. How about free will under a caring Gods caring supervision?

I believe in God? from a philosophical perspective.... yes!. After all there are conversations about God without religious dogmatism.
No, it doesn't bother me, but the Christian concept of God is our father and we are his/her children is getting too repetative. Let's move from that idealism to a more different approach. As for our free will we make the choices. I don't think God dictates our will. If he did we would be perfect. And that's not the case in reality. God gave us free will to test our abilities to act. The consequences of our free will come from the choices we make. God did not cause the consequences of our free will. We did!

Originally posted by The Omega
No, you’re absolutely right. Not all scientists take religion seriously (fortunately they don’t have to anymore – the Inquisition is over). Why should they? Science is not about being RIGHT, it’s about facts.
“fundamentalism
noun {U}
the belief in old and traditional forms of religion, or the belief that what is written in a holy book, such as the Christian Bible, is completely true.”
So – Science can’t be fundamentalist. Sorry 😉

It was meant to be a pun. Religious ppl accept facts from what their Holy books tell them. Scientists accept facts from what their books tell them. In other words both sides consult their books about facts.

Originally posted by The Omega
Oh, and you were the one calling Science a child. Science, which has given us medicine, airplanes, computers, men on the Moon and so on and so forth endlessly. Technology is based on science - yes, if you call science a child, then what is technology in your world-view? A baby????

That was meant to be a metaphor. Unfortunally, I made it the wrong way. Instead of science, it shoulda have been "scientist". As in Scientists and Religious ppl are like children, fighting to prove one is right and the other is wrong. No biggie, I wasn't trying to offend those that accept science as the ultimate truth of our lives. I'll keep metaphors out. I'm not very good at them.

Originally posted by yerssot
correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most religions go about how tolerant and forgiving everybody should be?

Yeah, they teach that. Do their followers obey it? Maybe not. Still, the proof is in the pudding. Your religion says be tolerant.....than be tolerant to others!. If not? then you're not obeying your religion. Therefore you're not a very devoted person. 😉

Originally posted by yerssot
correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most religions go about how tolerant and forgiving everybody should be?

Christians are suppose to be forgiving, but are we perfect no. 🙂

hey, speak for yourself 😛 😉

Originally posted by yerssot
hey, speak for yourself 😛 😉

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Originally posted by Fiery Eyes
TRue true, when you become a Christain, you want to do Gods WAys, you don't come to God, with everything in your life all put together, he helps you to do that, and YOUR desires will change.

But if God made all of us, he obviously made gay people to be gay. So your logic kinda fails there... And don't give me any of that "gays choose to be gay" bullshit. Talk to any homosexual person and you will discover that.

But if God made all of us, he obviously made gay people to be gay. So your logic kinda fails there... And don't give me any of that "gays choose to be gay" bull****. Talk to any homosexual person and you will discover that

Gay choose to be gay, no matter what they say. They have still the choices to stay in a right way as God wanted them to be. Why they came out that way? They choose it.

Why would God care if someone was gay? Shouldn't he want us to be accepting of that person no matter what? Isn't it being un-Godly to ostrasize a person just beause he/she is different than you?
How do you know God doesn't like gay people?

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
Why would God care if someone was gay? Shouldn't he want us to be accepting of that person no matter what? Isn't it being un-Godly to ostrasize a person just beause he/she is different than you?
How do you know God doesn't like gay people?

Bull Crap.
You do NOT, welcome them with open hands. You are teh people picketing the Gay marrages, trying to pass a constitutial amendment saying that it's basicly illegal to be openly gay. You DO not accept them at a all, and thats a fact!

Where in the bible? And how do you know that thats God saying that. the bible wasn't written my God, and it could just as easily be someones opinion that they shoved in there.

God loves us for being RIGHTEOUS. Not for being DISOBEDIENT.

Yes, I do realise that not all Christians accept gay people, but theyre the rather vocal portion of the Christian community. Other Christians do accept them and we treat them like everyone else. Its just they some are more vocal about their views than others are, and sometimes they get so caught up in telling the Gay people what theyre doing is wrong, that htey forget that God told us to love them too.

the bible basically says your not allowed to have fun...you can drink alcohol...thats like the only good thing the bible lets you do......theres even something goes against getting piercings in the bible..how many catholics have piercings?...a shitload thats how many

Correcting someone does not necessarily mean not loving them... We correct them because we love them... And we want to share them what God has given to His righteous ones. 🙂