I believe the point ofthe thread is simply t inspire debate, and philosophy would suck if everyone stayed on topic! We wouldn't have progressed anywhere! People would have just voted and left!
BTW, I voted, ages ago. I think it was either maybe or no. Fraid I don't really believe. ot that I ever pretend to.
With facts :
If the bible isn't real, why are we tha only intelligent life capable of so much? they proved other animals are smarter but why are WE the ones ruling the world?
If the bible isn't real, how is there love? think about it, by evolution we should have as many offspring as possible to help our species...in other words, have sex with many people[that is every organisms goal according to evolution]. love between a man or woman should be only between them, making the theory of reproduction hold no value when you love someone. by evolution, love is non-existent. it has no purpose. but love is real, we all want it and try to find our soulmate.
Soulmate. to love we must have a soul, or else true love would not exist. true love is wut everyone has felt, it doesn't have to last as long as you felt a special bond. thus proving tha existence of love, therefore soul. wut is soul? you cant x-ray it or disect it, but its obviously there.
To believe in a soul, one MUST believe in everything that comes with it. because its all connected. wut is tha end result? that there IS a higher being that meant for us to be who we are/how we got here/why we love or hate/why we care for others/etc - proof of a God. so why are some oppose to believing? - proof of satan.
Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
If the bible isn't real, why are we tha only intelligent life capable of so much? they proved other animals are smarter but why are WE ruling the ruling the world?If the bible isn't real, how is there love? think about it, by evolution we should have as many offspring as possible to help our species [that is every organisms goal according to evolution. by evolution, love is non-existent. it has no purpose. but love is real, we all want it and try to find our soulmate.
Soulmate. to love we must have a soul, or else true love would not exist. true love is wut everyone has felt, it doesn't have to last as long as you felt a special [b]bond
. thus proving tha existence of love, therefore soul. wut is soul? you cant x-ray it or disect it, but its obviously there.To believe in a soul, one MUST believe in everything that comes with it. because its all connected. wut is tha end result? that there IS a higher being that meant for us to be who we are. so why are some oppose to believing? - proof of satan. [/B]
What the ****? Who stated that there are other animals SMARTER than humans? WHO?? I'd like to meet this retard. And yes, he truly is a retard, it has been not only proven, but insanely OBVIOUS that humans are the smartest animals on the planet. Duh.
Love is in EVERY animal. It's a chemical reaction to a physical and psychological attraction. And yes, it fits into evolution nicely. Love is the reason why we care for each other and our children, making sure that we continue to survive. Therefore, furthering our species, and backing evolution.
To tell you the truth, people back in the day probably confused the "soul" with self-conciousness.
Err, and how is that proof of Satan? Maybe you should read some of the links in the Satanism thread. They explain the heavy editing and mistranslations that have occured in the Bible.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
What the ****? Who stated that there are other animals SMARTER than humans? WHO?? I'd like to meet this retard. And yes, he truly is a retard, it has been not only proven, but insanely OBVIOUS that humans are the smartest animals on the planet. Duh.Love is in EVERY animal. It's a chemical reaction to a physical and psychological attraction. And yes, it fits into evolution nicely. Love is the reason why we care for each other and our children, making sure that we continue to survive. Therefore, furthering our species, and backing evolution.
To tell you the truth, people back in the day probably confused the "soul" with self-conciousness.
Err, and how is that proof of Satan? Maybe you should read some of the links in the Satanism thread. They explain the heavy editing and mistranslations that have occured in the Bible.
In numerous science shows, dolphins are said to be smarter than humans. so are whales. they proved this with brain size and monitering how those animals think. those same methods used on humans prove we are not as smart as some other animals.
Love is NOT in animals. like the black widow that kills her mate after breeding. or how some animals feed off their young to survive. and countless other examples i'd use if i was an animal expert. and as i was talking about love between sexual partners [man and woman], most animals do not feel this. they have sex in order to pass on their gene, as evolution suggests, and that is all.
Love does not further our species as evolution states. evolution says the more tha better, meaning multiply with more variety so tha chances of your species' survival is higher. being with one person because you love them is completely against evolution.
However we all feel love and laughter, etc. to love another despite their physical attributes makes no sense by evolution. you actually love their soul, hence soulmates. its not loving someones self-conciousness.
As for editing of tha bible, it might have been edited. but not my God, and we are all subject to sins. whoever edited it badly surely paid for it after his death. that is not to say tha bible isn't real...that is to say tha editor was at fault. to oppose God is satan's success, and its said that his goal is to make us think God doesn't exist...even with or without proof. we are doomed, looking at the polls.
Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
In numerous science shows, dolphins are said to be smarter than humans. so are whales. they proved this with brain size and monitering how those animals think. those same methods used on humans prove we are not as smart as some other animals.Love is NOT in animals. like the black widow that kills her mate after breeding. or how some animals feed off their young to survive. and countless other examples i'd use if i was an animal expert. and as i was talking about love between sexual partners [man and woman], most animals do not feel this. they have sex in order to pass on their gene, as evolution suggests, and that is all.
Love does not further our species as evolution states. evolution says the more tha better, meaning multiply with more variety so tha chances of your species' survival is higher. being with one person because you love them is completely against evolution.
However we all feel love and laughter, etc. to love another despite their physical attributes makes no sense by evolution. you actually love their soul, hence soulmates. its not loving someones self-conciousness.
As for editing of tha bible, it might have been edited. but not my God, and we are all subject to sins. whoever edited it badly surely paid for it after his death. that is not to say tha bible isn't real...that is to say tha editor was at fault. to oppose God is satan's success, and its said that his goal is to make us think God doesn't exist...even with or without proof. we are doomed, looking at the polls.
hahaha, what "science shows"? Humans are far more intelligent than dolphins AND whales, combined. Due in large part to the frontal lobe(which they lack) and cerebral cortex.
You don't seem to remember that not everyone loves just one person, do you? Did you forget that before modern morality issues, having several wives was commonplace? You know what, have 2 or 3 wives is STILL commonplace today. On the morning bus where I live, there is a man who travels with BOTH of his wives. Not only do they see nothing wrong with it, but encourage it. They even explained it to another woman who questioned it. Love is NOT defined by monogamy, contrary to popular belief.
And yes, the attraction is PURELY physical at first, and THEN it evolves into love. Even "love at first sight"(which is just luck. that's why it's so rare)
Err, if you had actually gone to the links in the Satanism thread, it nicely explains how "Satan" was created by this editing. Before the King James version, there was no mention of any Satan.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
hahaha, what "science shows"? Humans are far more intelligent than dolphins AND whales, combined. Due in large part to the frontal lobe(which they lack) and cerebral cortex.You don't seem to remember that not everyone loves just one person, do you? Did you forget that before modern morality issues, having several wives was commonplace? You know what, have 2 or 3 wives is STILL commonplace today. On the morning bus where I live, there is a man who travels with BOTH of his wives. Not only do they see nothing wrong with it, but encourage it. They even explained it to another woman who questioned it. Love is NOT defined by monogamy, contrary to popular belief.
And yes, the attraction is PURELY physical at first, and THEN it evolves into love. Even "love at first sight"(which is just luck. that's why it's so rare)
Err, if you had actually gone to the links in the Satanism thread, it nicely explains how "Satan" was created by this editing. Before the King James version, there was no mention of any Satan.
I hope you're kidding about me remembering the names of those shows. they're on discovery, man. and any show can say it. an educational show on intelligence can tell how dolphins are smarter. i'm not a scientist, maybe you are..lol..but i clearly remember them saying many other animals had bigger brains and accessed more parts of them.
I am not christian, i am muslim. the two religions are pretty much the same. I would say you need Jesus in your life, or Mohammed or Moses...whoever. i can't believe i'm even arguing about the existence of God, i'm shocked in you people.
But focusing on your comments...marrying more than one wife was accepted but wrong by religion. we're supposed to love one person. your input about marrying more than one wife doesn't support your claim. tha definition of love is between 2 individuals....a bond, and caring beyong tha reason of passing your genes. as i've said animals dont love...we DO.
So how are we the only ones that can love and have a soul? how are we the only ones that can have opinions? how are we the only ones that travelled OUTSIDE of this planet?
Evolutional theory is CONTRADICTORY. it suggests slow processes that take millions of years....but we humans that "evolved" from monkeys can do so much in just a few thousand years of time?
THINK about it. also, about your satan being created comment. Judism came before christianity and there was a God and an opposer mentioned. how could it be changed if satan existed prior to christianity?
There was NO opposer mentioned. Only in the english versions is an opposer mentioned. In the original hebrew texts, the Bible is different.
Dolphins accesing a larger part of their brain doesn't make them more intelligent(humans only use up to 10% of their brains). They still lack a huge chuck of what our brains have. They can be considered ALMOST as intelligent, but in no way are they superior.
No, marrying one wife was never wrong by religion. Didn't King Solomon have like 100 wives or some shit? I don't remember. One of them had some ridiculous number like that.
And having more than one wife is still love between 2 people. The love between the man, and wife #1(2 people), and then there is the love between the man, and wife #2(still between 2 people) The wives should get along, but they don't have to love each other.
And love isn't a bond beyond the carrying of your genes. The hormons used in the chemical process that initiates the emotion of love, is controlled by DNA, the center of where your genes are kept.
Religion is simply an explination of what people believe to be unexplainable. As I have just shown you, religion doesn't hold up anymore, there is an explination for almost anything now.
Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88I am not christian, i am muslim. the two religions are pretty much the same. I would say you need Jesus in your life, or Mohammed or Moses...whoever. i can't believe i'm even arguing about the existence of God, i'm shocked in you people.
THINK about it. also, about your satan being created comment. Judism came before christianity and there was a God and an opposer mentioned. how could it be changed if satan existed prior to christianity?
1) Wow, to say that muslim and Christianity are "pretty simalar" is, well, incorrect, They are very different, Not exactly Bhuddist/christianity different, but still very different.
I'm glad your shocked, it helps your learn, maybe you will become curious and figure out WHY we believe in the lack of a God. But the simple fact is Athiesm makes more logical sence thatn any religion.
Love>Been covered
2)But if Satan never existed......
Strange how most arguments falls apart when confronted with that.
Oh and just for the sake of argument, I don't remember anythign about satatnm preceeding Judiasm...
In numerous science shows, dolphins are said to be smarter than humans. so are whalesdolphins are whales, and it is said that allegably whales are inteligent creatures. Now that doesnt mean they are smarter. I come from Norway a country that hunt whales now I say if the whales was so damn intelligent why the hell do they swim in front of the harpoon 😄 😛
i can't believe i'm even arguing about the existence of God, i'm shocked in you people.shocked that we are able to think beyound the preaching, that we aint that easily fooled.
Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
With facts :If the bible isn't real, why are we tha only intelligent life capable of so much? they proved other animals are smarter but why are WE the ones ruling the world?
If the bible isn't real, how is there love? think about it, by evolution we should have as many offspring as possible to help our species...in other words, have sex with many people[that is every organisms goal according to evolution]. love between a man or woman should be only between them, making the theory of reproduction hold no value when you love someone. by evolution, love is non-existent. it has no purpose. but love is real, we all want it and try to find our soulmate.
Soulmate. to love we must have a soul, or else true love would not exist. true love is wut everyone has felt, it doesn't have to last as long as you felt a special [b]bond
. thus proving tha existence of love, therefore soul. wut is soul? you cant x-ray it or disect it, but its obviously there.To believe in a soul, one MUST believe in everything that comes with it. because its all connected. wut is tha end result? that there IS a higher being that meant for us to be who we are/how we got here/why we love or hate/why we care for others/etc - proof of a God. so why are some oppose to believing? - proof of satan. [/B]
other animals are indeed smarter... they don't kill out of religious views nor go to war because someone stepped on their toes. (and before you start, yes, certain monkeys do have a war going on)
and I have a simple way of answering your question: evolution
we evolved into the dominant species... oh wait, but you happen to conviniently NOT believe this?
I should TO answer the love one, but it's just a mingle of hormones... nothing religious with that, happens to humans, swans, elephants, .... but again, TO knows that stuff.
why must we have a soul to love? who says that? why? on what is that based? what are the sources? (and again, quoting the bible is not good here)
your little theory about the soul is FULL of holes, cause you start with the assumption that there IS a soul already
Something to think about :
I assume everyone here has a computer... now did you need an instruction manual to set it up or run it properly from the Designer. Im sure MOST OF US did. Now think about this...life is infinitly more complicated, complex and all together mind numbing than a computer..right? I mean there's Feelings and Emotions and things we as humans cant understand no matter how clever we are.
Now dont you think we would need an instruction manual...for life i mean. And thats what i believe the Bible is. An instruction manual from our Designer.
Originally posted by airbonic
I mean there's Feelings and Emotions and things we as humans cant understand no matter how clever we are.
That's where the flaw is. You underestimate not only yourself, but the entire human race. You think God just GAVE us everything we have now? No, we studied and worked hard for it. US HUMANS. **** it all if I'm going to give credit to some being that has never proven himself to exist.
Lol, religions aren't that frequent buddy. with that said, christianity and islam are EXTREMELY close as they are very similar compared to tha other major religions. they hold tha same principle. most idiots think muslims have a different God named Allah..but that is actually "God" in another language. 😆
Plus, your whole athiestic view will automatically have you think "holes" in everything since...faith in religion is blind to proof. obviously you have no faith. with that said, evolution MUST make more sense because theres proof to support everything.
It's sad that this generation is oh so smart, with "open minds"...yet close their hearts to God.
Originally posted by yerssot
I'm sorry but your facts blow the balloon... 😐other animals are indeed smarter... they don't kill out of religious views nor go to war because someone stepped on their toes. (and before you start, yes, certain monkeys do have a war going on)
and I have a simple way of answering your question: evolution
we evolved into the dominant species... oh wait, but you happen to conviniently NOT believe this?I should TO answer the love one, but it's just a mingle of hormones... nothing religious with that, happens to humans, swans, elephants, .... but again, TO knows that stuff.
why must we have a soul to love? who says that? why? on what is that based? what are the sources? (and again, quoting the bible is not good here)
your little theory about the soul is FULL of holes, cause you start with the assumption that there IS a soul already
Evolution makes as much sense as people want it to make. For billions of years as species evolved, NOTHING and i repeat NOTHING has ever "evolved" to tha degree that we have. from mammal to mammal, only slight adaptive variations occured as we ALL KNOW that evolution is an extremely slow process.
Then SOMEHOW, you have humans that multiplied in to around SIX BILLION and has become more and more intelligent and technologically advanced that we went on tha moon after only a few million years of our species' existence? By evolutions own rules, it CANNOT happen. yet we "conveniently" never hear this argument now do we?
As for souls, if you read my post i said that true love is unconditional of looks and necessity. to love, you must be in love with something. that connection you feel must be beetween something. when you laugh, as other animals do not...why is our responce laughter? these all hint to an existence of a soul. which goes against evolution by all means, but everything that exists isn't all picked up by our 5 senses.
It boils down to this : arguments are usually won due to whichever side has more facts. in this case, facts can only be derived from tha bible or miracles which "conveniently" is dismissed as coincidence. and since someone mentioned logic...You can either burn in hell or stay on tha safe side. afterall, you never really know.
Originally posted by Arachnoidfreak
That's where the flaw is. You underestimate not only yourself, but the entire human race. You think God just GAVE us everything we have now? No, we studied and worked hard for it. US HUMANS. **** it all if I'm going to give credit to some being that has never proven himself to exist.
LOLOL. omg...thats the whole POINT. if God was to give us solid proof of his existence, OF COURSE everyone would believe in him. then where would faith be? there would be no faith because we would only believe to avoid being terminated. this is the perfect scenario to test us all to see who has faith...that is where tha devil eludes you all.
This is where all of you are wrong. may God have mercy on your souls.
Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
Evolution makes as much sense as people want it to make. For billions of years as species evolved, NOTHING and i repeat NOTHING has ever "evolved" to tha degree that we have. from mammal to mammal, only slight adaptive variations occured as we ALL KNOW that evolution is an extremely slow process.Then SOMEHOW, you have humans that multiplied in to around SIX BILLION and has become more and more intelligent and technologically advanced that we went on tha moon after only a few million years of our species' existence? [b] By evolutions own rules, it CANNOT happen
. yet we "conveniently" never hear this argument now do we?As for souls, if you read my post i said that true love is unconditional of looks and necessity. to love, you must be in love with something. that connection you feel must be beetween something. when you laugh, as other animals do not...why is our responce laughter? these all hint to an existence of a soul. which goes against evolution by all means, but everything that exists isn't all picked up by our 5 senses.
It boils down to this : arguments are usually won due to whichever side has more facts. in this case, facts can only be derived from tha bible or miracles which "conveniently" is dismissed as coincidence. and since someone mentioned logic...You can either burn in hell or stay on tha safe side. afterall, you never really know. [/B]
The spiders did pretty well. There's one kind with a brain the size of salt crystal with approximately the intelligence of a small mammal. But yeah, we have advanced curiously away from short-term gain, from muscle power to brainpower. Less armour, better nerves. Easy prey, till a couple of millennia after.
Not sure about that. Love might just have evolved once we got stronger bodies, giving us more incentive to have sex, reproduce, and protect babies where we previously just had biological instincts. Laughter though is a weird thing. It can be a a reaction to creepy crawly things, can be a release for endorphin (happiness). It doesn't point to an existence of the soul. It just points to the existence of an incredibly complex biological masterpiece, that has many incentives and painkillers.
They're not always. Sometimes they're won by the side that brought tents, and other pieces of equipment to outlast the enemy. Same as armies. However, the example falls down in the next topic. I think you're quoting Pascal’s wager. I want to propose an example to you to prove how stupid that wager is.