i think anakin's promises are irrelivent.
his promises simply illustrate his good intentions,
and the irony that those good intentions would lead to him turning into the prince of darkness.
he frees no slaves when he becomes a jedi, he just allows himself to become one. he DID fail his mother by turning evil. im sure shmi was spinning in her grave at like 4500 rpm when vader sat back and watched alderran be destroyed.
and stop people from dying? only stops himself from dying, with help from palpatine.
u know....i dont know if there are any slaves in ANH.....come to think about it.....
Jabba is pretty much operating in seclusion although the Empire is aware of his actions....
Tatoonie is like a trade station, not a slave camp or whatever....
Vader has come to understand the powers of life/death i am sure of that.....because he was crushing throats left and right in OT, so I am sure he learned to do the opposite.....
kadub, good point....there's nothing to say slavery still exsists in the ot....(oh, except jabba's geisha girls)....but other than that, i can't see anything....I always thought the free the slaves thing was a big hint of things to come later in the prequels, but i guess not....i get the feeling lucas might have changed some of his original plan after the bad response to ep I. Remember when he was insisting jar jar was a very important part, and would become a great hero in the next 2 episodes.
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I remember reading a synopsis somewhere [sorry I can't quite remember where...] where Padme is injured and Anakin is desperate to save her. Palpatine lures him to the darkside with the inclination that only when he has embraced his dark powers can he save her life. Padme pleads with Anakin not to but he is stricken with guilt and fear for her life. He falls to the power of the darkside and Palpatine assists him in saving Padme.
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I heard stories like this a lot back when all the first spoilers where coming out. The only difference being that palpatine lied. The idea was that he tells anakin he can teach him how to do it, and anakin is desperate to know so he succumbs. I'm not sure if it fits with what we've heard since.
"but that's not what to go by. it's just speculation. unless i am missing some official info that is. granted, it does look like a choke, but to accept that is also to accept that luke is already falling to the darkside at the beginning of ep6, so why did yoda not notice this in his meditations?"
The books are not 100% canon. And if you look at Jabba's guards, they distinctly grab their throats and fall down. Now I don't know about you guys, but when I go to bed my hand isn't on my throat.
As with the issue of "Luke is already falling to the Dark Side by Ep 6", no. Despite the fact that Sith use Force Lightning and Force Chokes and whatnot, that doesn't mean that they are strictly Dark Side techniques. EVERY Force attack is used by everyone, can be used by anyone (the strength and accuracy is what differs), and is not just sanctioned to different sects of orders. Obi-Wan isn't only allowed to do a Force Push or Throw, if he's in a fight he's "allowed" to use a Choke or Lightning. It doesn't matter. And for those that say Luke "taps into the dark side" when he fights Vader in Ep 6, that's wrong too. Luke was angry, and remember, anger LEADS TO the dark side, it isn't the very essence of it. If that were true then you're saying when Kenobi says "You know I hate it when you do that" then wait a minute, HATE LEADS TO THE DARK SIDE, oh god now Master Kenobi you're a Sith now? Lol.
My theory on the "balance of the Force", though its never been fully explained, is this: The destruction of the Sith is the balance of the Force, not due to having 2 jedi and 2 Sith or something lame like that, but that there are 3 fully functioning ATTACKERS of the Force. You have the Jedi on the light side (ONE) and Dark Jedi and Sith on the Dark side (that's 2). So right there, there is an off-balance. That's 2 on the evil side, and one on the good. With the destruction of the Sith, that means it is Light side Jedi vs Dark side Dark Jedi. Then its an even 1 on 1 fight, and not 1 on 1 on side note 1. With the death of Palpatine, there are no more Sith ever, so then its an even fight, and even means balanced, and the fight is with the Force, so an even Force fight is a balanced Force. I still say, he fulfills his intentions by my previous posts.
Originally posted by NoFate007
As with the issue of "Luke is already falling to the Dark Side by Ep 6", no. Despite the fact that Sith use Force Lightning and Force Chokes and whatnot, that doesn't mean that they are strictly Dark Side techniques. EVERY Force attack is used by everyone, can be used by anyone (the strength and accuracy is what differs), and is not just sanctioned to different sects of orders. Obi-Wan isn't only allowed to do a Force Push or Throw, if he's in a fight he's "allowed" to use a Choke or Lightning. It doesn't matter. And for those that say Luke "taps into the dark side" when he fights Vader in Ep 6, that's wrong too. Luke was angry, and remember, anger LEADS TO the dark side, it isn't the very essence of it. If that were true then you're saying when Kenobi says "You know I hate it when you do that" then wait a minute, HATE LEADS TO THE DARK SIDE, oh god now Master Kenobi you're a Sith now? Lol.
All that "what can a Jedi do or not" seems to be mainly derived from games. The movies, the canon, say nothing about what techniques can or cannot be used by dark or light side users. All we know is that so far apparantly, only Dark Side force users apply the lightning. And yet, OB1 doesn't seem to be very surprised by it in AOTC.
Originally posted by NoFate007
My theory on the "balance of the Force", though its never been fully explained, is this: The destruction of the Sith is the balance of the Force, not due to having 2 jedi and 2 Sith or something lame like that, but that there are 3 fully functioning ATTACKERS of the Force. You have the Jedi on the light side (ONE) and Dark Jedi and Sith on the Dark side (that's 2). So right there, there is an off-balance. That's 2 on the evil side, and one on the good. With the destruction of the Sith, that means it is Light side Jedi vs Dark side Dark Jedi. Then its an even 1 on 1 fight, and not 1 on 1 on side note 1. With the death of Palpatine, there are no more Sith ever, so then its an even fight, and even means balanced, and the fight is with the Force, so an even Force fight is a balanced Force. I still say, he fulfills his intentions by my previous posts.
A very complicated way of saying what Lucas has said a number of times: there is balance when there is no Dark Side i.e. no Sith, if the Sith are there the Force is out of balance. It hasn't got much to do with scales or even sides. Lucas is trying some sort of spiritual balance and that in the SW universe is LIGHT ONLY.
Originally posted by NoFate007
And for those that say Luke "taps into the dark side" when he fights Vader in Ep 6, that's wrong too. Luke was angry, and remember, anger LEADS TO the dark side, it isn't the very essence of it. If that were true then you're saying when Kenobi says "You know I hate it when you do that" then wait a minute, HATE LEADS TO THE DARK SIDE, oh god now Master Kenobi you're a Sith now? Lol.
ok, did you see the saliva dripping from lukes mouth and the crazed look in his eyes? how can you say he wasnt tapping into the darkside? the whole point of that scene was to creat a moment of empathy for vader.
in an instant, luke lets his hatred take over, and he becomes just like his father. thus him looking at his own mechanical hand and realizing that he was doing the wrong thing, and becoming another vader.
immediately after he tosses the saber away and declared that he will never give in to the darkside.
cant get more clear-cut than that.
"the force must be used for knowledge and defense, never for attack"
-What do you call it when the Jedi are Force Pushing droids? Seems like an attack to me.
"ok, did you see the saliva dripping from lukes mouth and the crazed look in his eyes? how can you say he wasnt tapping into the darkside?"
I seem to have heard that opinion isn’t canon either. Luke let his hatred control him, but you can’t “tap” into the dark side. “Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny”, unless you want to deny that quote, then you’re saying the moment Luke “tapped” into the dark side, he’s evil.
oh wait, forgot to comment on this: "A very complicated way of saying what Lucas has said a number of times: there is balance when there is no Dark Side i.e. no Sith, if the Sith are there the Force is out of balance. It hasn't got much to do with scales or even sides. Lucas is trying some sort of spiritual balance and that in the SW universe is LIGHT ONLY."
What I was talkin about is that since there are the light side fighers (Jedi) and the dark side fighters (Dark Jedi), then there's another dark side fighter (Sith). So there are 2 fighters for the Dark side and only one for the light, but with the destruction of the Sith then its only one on the light side and one on the dark side. If Anakin had found a way to destroy all Dark Jedi and the Sith would exist, then it would still be in balance because then it would be one on the light side (Jedi) and one on the dark side (Sith), with the third one out of the party.
Now, back to the thread, lol