Anakin's Promises

also, i will go further...and defeat part of my own arguement, but the truth is the truth...so....

the guards stood between luke and his friends, who were in grave danger.
therefore, they threatened the lives of the innocent merely by blocking his path. however, had luke just been on a mission, i think such a move would not be warranted.

thats the only justification i can see in luke using the force to physically affect another being in any way. mentally....thats another story i guess...

"credits will do..."

"EDIT> good observation NoFate, and remember luke's test at the cave in ESB...he ignited his saber first...and at that point i reckon, he had already failed the test."

That's what I believe too. Once he decided to take his weapons despite what Yoda told him, he failed the test. I still don't understand how that cave is "a domain of evil" and how those images popped up...but eh, I guess you've just gotta look past that.

how can you question anything that goes on in the star wars galaxy?
its one really messed up place!

Originally posted by PVS
"It;s not impossible that only Hatred can cause Force Lightning, but we can only speculate. Indeed, we have never seen a Light Sided Jedi do it, but that;s not necessarily definitive. I have no problem thinking they canot do it, though."

now, in your statement ush, you went from "its impossible that only Hatred can cause Force Lightning" to "i have no problem thinking they (the jedi) cannot do it"

Learn to read. It's only courteous.

But to answer the essence of your point... for all we canonically know, it may be that Jedi simply don't know how to do it. Like I say, I am amenable to it requiring darker emotions and so being out for Jedi, but we have no way of KNOWING that, for sure.

Originally posted by PVS
also, i will go further...and defeat part of my own arguement, but the truth is the truth...so....

the guards stood between luke and his friends, who were in grave danger.
therefore, they threatened the lives of the innocent merely by blocking his path. however, had luke just been on a mission, i think such a move would not be warranted.

thats the only justification i can see in luke using the force to physically affect another being in any way. mentally....thats another story i guess...

"credits will do..."

Yes it would have been warranted, if the mission was justified. Jedi are entitled- indeed expected- to use reasonable force.

For my 10p worth, lightning = darkside, its too aggressive a power 😮‍💨 🍺

The Jedi in my stories use all the Force powers to their advantage. And the lightsaber fights aren't played out so it looks like they hit each other's swords instead of actually trying to kill each other, more cheap moves and whatnot that you'd expect to see in a fight to the death.

Ushgarak, you have good point regarding the Force lightning and Jedi not knowing how to do it. After all, they didn't know about becoming part of the Force after death. I think even if they did, however, that it is an aggressive move that doesn't seem like something a Jedi would use.

What USh said.

Originally posted by NoFate007
The Jedi in my stories use all the Force powers to their advantage. And the lightsaber fights aren't played out so it looks like they hit each other's swords instead of actually trying to kill each other, more cheap moves and whatnot that you'd expect to see in a fight to the death.

If you are referring to the Prequel Trilogy fights... then you are not analysing them very carefully. Nick Gillard knows what he is doing.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Learn to read. It's only courteous.

But to answer the essence of your point... for all we canonically know, it may be that Jedi simply don't know how to do it. Like I say, I am amenable to it requiring darker emotions and so being out for Jedi, but we have no way of KNOWING that, for sure.

damn, are you just in a rotten mood?>
i wasnt trying to be rude, no need for you to tell me i cant read, plus you didnt post the rest of the quote:

:does that mean you think that a jedi not using force lightning might simply be a matter of etiquite? well, i must argue that such a move is motivated by hate."

thats not a sarcastic question, im serious. do you think its a matter of etiquite?

all i know is whenever a sith and only sith use force lightning, they first decare how much more powerful they are than the jedi.

"as you can see my jedi powers are beyond yours...now back down" *zap*

"i have become more powerful than any jedi....even you" *zap*

"if you cannot be turned....you will be destroyed"*zap*"...your feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side"

now, lets establish first that only sith use lighning. most find it obvious but some argue even that point. the evidence is there, the jedi never use it. they MAY learn of it, since obiwan unflinchingly blocked it with his lightsaber...so perhaps he had prior knowledge of such a technique. KNOWLEDGE mind you, not the know how or the will to use it.

so if that is accepted then the question is this.
do the jedi not use force lightning because:

-they dont know how to

-they are taught that it is a darkside power

well, yoda states that the darkside is not more powerful, just quicker, easier, and seductive. so perhaps using lightning is kind of a....boundless release of power...like letting the levy break you might say, a loss of control. we know that control is essential to a jedi, right?

so is it fathomable that a jedi has the ability to use force lightning, but the act of doing so is corrupting to them?

all i know is yoda absorbed that lightning like it was nothing. im sure he knew what was up, and how to defend himself. so if he knows how to block it, adn deflect it, is it not conceivable that he may know how to use it? i think so. i think he could if he desired, but the path of the light side forbids it...my take anyway.

Originally posted by PVS
well, yoda states that the darkside is not more powerful, just quicker, easier, and seductive.

On the commentary for Episode II, Lucas himself says the dark side is more powerful. And we can't trust Yoda and Obi-Wan's every word, because if we did we'd be getting caught up in someone's "point of view". Yoda just says that so Luke isn't tempted, notice how quickly he juts in with NO.

well, maybe GL's POV is wrong 😛

damn, who can we trust then!?!?!?

ok PVS the sig is freakin me out now......everytime I see it all I can think of is Julie Andrews for goodnes sakes. 😖

she's all i can think about when i see that anakin pic...

so if i must suffer, you all must suffer 😄

Originally posted by PVS
so if that is accepted then the question is this.
do the jedi not use force lightning because:

-they dont know how to

-they are taught that it is a darkside power

imo, they do know how to do it... OB1 blocked it without thinking. Yoda blazed it back and in the other attack he just absorbed it.
You can say that they got that info from more than a millenia ago during the 'Sith Wars' (like Ki Adi says in TPM) but to keep that info when people think the Sith are destroyed is rather weird to do.
And personally, I would think every jedi can do every force"move" there is, just a padawan in example can't jump as far as a master cause he isn't that well trained or doesn't have the knowledge of certain techniques, and he can't do ie do lightning since it is too difficult for him to master yet.

and I said a few times already that I do not see a difference in force powers, they are from one big energyfield, it's your intention with it that makes it darkside or not... but the only thing I can think of which makes lightning a good thing is if you're in need of some light, in other words, I don't see the good in lightning, so that's perhaps why jedi don't use it?

Originally posted by PVS
damn, are you just in a rotten mood?>
i wasnt trying to be rude, no need for you to tell me i cant read, plus you didnt post the rest of the quote:

:does that mean you think that a jedi not using force lightning might simply be a matter of etiquite? well, i must argue that such a move is motivated by hate."

thats not a sarcastic question, im serious. do you think its a matter of etiquite?

I'll stop telling you to learn how to read when you note that I answered your questions as much as needed already in my answer.

You're only going over the blindingly obvious now, PVS. We've only seen Sith do it, but we can only SPECULATE why Jedi don't.

That's pretty much the end of the matter, so if we can return to topic please...

oh boy...ok fine whatever

🙂

As far as this trilogy is concerned, Anakin will fail because he, too, becomes a destroyer of lives.