Originally posted by captainmidnight
i think if ben was aware that luke had a sister,we as the audience in ANH would have been given a gesture,like the expression on his face when ben was discussing to luke who his father was,in my opinion ben was unaware of leia until yoda explained to him what had happened......
Originally posted by Ushgarakso let me get this straight,bail never told obi-wan about leia, this would indicate that obi-wan was UNAWARE of leia,but a few posts earlier you said obi-wan was aware,what do you mean USH,what are you saying EXACTLY.......
I did just explain why there was no earlier indication, captain.As if, btw, Bail Organa never let his friend Obi-Wan know... as if this wasn't all happening at the same time in Ep III!
Originally posted by captainmidnight
so let me get this straight,bail never told obi-wan about leia, this would indicate that obi-wan was UNAWARE of leia,but a few posts earlier you said obi-wan was aware,what do you mean USH,what are you saying EXACTLY.......
My point, as should be rather obvious, is that Organa WOULD have told Obi-Wan...
Originally posted by ctsketch
if you recall in ROTJ, When luke is hiding under the throne room and Luke begins thinking of, Vader says "Your feelings are strong, especially for sister, so you have a twin sister, Obi-wan was wise to hide her from me "
If you think about ep. 4-6, Vader never mentions Yoda. He assumes he learned everything from Kenobi. Vader must think that a) Yoda died, cause he was old as dirt or died in the massacre of jedi's or b) there was no way for Luke to discover anything about Yoda.
So, anything Vader has to say regarding Obi-Wan simply comes from his lack of knowledge about Luke's relationship to Yoda.
As far as ESB....I honestly believe that Kenobi doesn't know about Leia, and that after Yoda's little ominous statement, Kenobi asks him about it, and then reveals it to Luke in RotJ.
Thoughts?
dude thats exactly what i think...that line when vader says "obi-wan was wise to hide her from me"yeah you hit that on the head too,as far as vader is concerned it was ben becouse after anakin falls into lava he doesnt have a clue what happened to the remaining jedi,he believes ben was the only one left,and responsible for training luke........
I think it is almost impossible for Obi-Wan not to know about Leia. And Obi-Wan went into seclusion AFTER the events of the Twin's birth. If you are saying that Obi-Wan and Organa never talked from the time Obi-Wan got his hands on Luke onwards, presumably running off 30 seconds before Leia was born... then how the heck did Organa know where Obi-Wan was???
No, tje situation was this. The good guys end up after the main events of Episode III in custody of the two twins. Kenobi and Organa decide it is wise to split the twins up for safety. Obi-Wan agrees to take Luke, and Organa hangs onto Leia, and the two of them part, with Obi-Wan telling Organa where he will be, and the other way around being obvious,
dude your starting to sound like suttle,your saying one thing then saying another,you started out saying ben was aware of leia,then you say organa would have told ben about leia meaning what,that ben would have known about leia if he told him,well no shit,now your saying how the heck did organa know were obi-wan was...what..what the hell does that mean,i'm sorry your posts are not obvious in fact there completely vague,you wanna know what happens,yoda,organa,and ben arrive on tatooine with luke,the ship takes off,padme then proceeds to give birth to leia,that is why leia is raised by organa becouse the second chid was unexpected,that is why ben is UNAWARE of leia until ESB were yoda explains to him what happened after ben was dropped off on tatooine......
I have said the same thing all the way. Have the courtesy of reading my posts correctly; that is basic politeness we expect of everyone here.
And your situation is ridiculous- it involves Padme giving birth to Luke and then no-one knowing she has a twin still in there; that is totally absurd. They'd know that months before the birth, let alone at the time itself. Use some common sense.
Originally posted by Ushgarakthe pregnancy has been kept a secret,padme does not know there are twins and neither does anyone else,once she starts the labor the ship lands on tatooine,luke is given to the lars family by ben,while departure she gives birth to leia,that is why yoda knows of an other and that is why leia is raised by organa,you should take your own advice and read your posts there,becouse you'll find that you did contradict yourself....MODERATORAnd your situation is ridiculous- it involves Padme giving birth to Luke and then no-one knowing she has a twin still in there; that is totally absurd. They'd know that months before the birth, let alone at the time itself. Use some common sense.
obi-wan might not be present for the birth. If only Yoda is, he might not tell Obi because the less people that know the better, better in case Luke dies. But, as far as ESB goes, it certainly sounds like Obi doesn't know. Unless he's underestimating Leia, or if Lucas just through that line in for foreshadowing for the audience. In which case he's just reminding Obi, if Obi knows, which would be redundant. Based on the OT dialogue in ESB, it would very much seem Obi doesn't know. But again, we'll just have to wait and see. If Obi does know in III, it would seem odd to have that line in ESB.
Perhaps only Yoda is present, which would account for why Luke says there's something familiar about Dagobah, it would then mean Luke recognizes a feeling he's having, which is most likely Yoda's force "aura". Maybe only Yoda is present, he tells Bail there's only the daughter, and tells Obi-wan there's only the son. Then both not knowing of the other is benificial in case one of the twins is discovered too early or killed.
Obi-Wan knows Anakin and he knows what Darth Vader is. He knows that if there is even the tiniest bit of Anakin under the armor Luke would have a better chance of returning Anakin to the light. Leia would most likely remind him of painful memories of Padme and how she was against him in the end.
Luke however, is very much like Anakin when he was young. Impulsive, thrilled by adventure and they each wield an incredible power that makes it hard for them to be patient. I mean afterall it is Vader's love for his son that saves him in the end, and I think only Luke could have done it. If you notice, Luke never gives up hope on Vader, sure he gets pissed and chops his arm off, but Luke couldn't kill his father, and Vader as evil as he is, could never kill Luke.