I am afraid I seriously doubt PVS' theory is the case. It is made very thematically clear in the films that Yoda and Obi-Wan expect Luke to DEFEAT the evil.
But, as part of Lucas' Hero's Journey thing, it is Luke- and Luke ALONE- who works out there is another way, contrary to the more cynical opinion of Obi-Wan on the matter (who had presumably already tried and failed, hence the line 'Obi-Wan once thought as you do."😉.
That was Luke's triumphal reasoning, and I an very unsteady about thinking the others thought it as well.
Obi-Wan is very clear both to Luke and the audience- he thinks that if Luke cannot kill Vader, the Emperor has already won.
this is a pointless arguement because both sides have nothing to back up they're arguments other than "well I think Obi-wan and yoda would do this...." "no I think they'd do this..." It's all pointless since we have NOTHING TO GO ON other than our own opinions. There may end up being more factors than we're even considering, and Ush, you presume to argue someone else is wrong in a purely hypothetical arguement? For shame..... ❌
please, this is pointless, just close it already....
Obi-Wan knows about Leia (of course), but I suspect he planned around Luke being the one who'd get the job done because he thought Vader would be reminded of himself. Maybe Obi thought that would be enough distraction for Luke to finish him off. In the end, that's partly what happened along with Vader remembering his inability to save his mother. The difference is that Obi didn't think there was anything left of the person he'd trained but Luke did.
ush, i agree that the events of the OT were based on luke's decisions.
if it was all mapped out by yoda and ben, luke would be just a puppet.
perhaps ben and yoda never FULLY gave up hope in vader/anakin.
they never said that he can be saved, but they never tell luke that its a fact
that he can't. and anyway, regardless of what they said, they always urge luke to make his own decisions.
they help and suggest, but never give orders.
as we see in the PT, they both had no problem giving solid direct orders.
so why are they so lenient with luke? could it be that they realized how bad
they screwed up with anakin and that they really didnt have the right answers for luke?
as far as ben's line "then the emporer has already won" i think he
was commenting on luke's lack of conviction. luke had a bad attitude
when ben visited him...he said "i cant do it", meaning he didnt think he
could even face his father...bad attitude for a hero to have. i think kenobi
wants luke to be ABLE to attack vader if necessary, which luke did.
after all, if luke was unable to fight vader, ROTJ would not have had a happy ending...so ben was kinda right...from a certain POV 😉
Here is the Official answer to this Question. Insider's Ask the Master section responded to my question in there latest issue #79.
Q: (Read first post on this thread)
A: As you will find out in Episode III, Obi-Wan is fully aware of Leia's existence. His gloomy statement has more to do with the faith he had put in Luke. Knowing Leia's strengths in the political arenas, he had profound doubts about her abilities to become a Jedi capable of ending the Sith rule.
So there you have it. Straight from the horses mouth.
The OT trilogy will influence the PT in the matter of Obi-Wan knowing about Leia.
If Obi-Wan knows about Leia, wouldn't he want to have her near a jedi so she could be trained if nessecary? That's the whole point of Obi-Wan hiding on Tatooine. If Vader comes for Luke he can protect him and teach him in the ways of the force. Otherwise wouldn't it make sense for Obi-Wan to hide on another planet so if he is discovered Luke's presence isn't felt as well?
Wouldn't he want both of the twins to be protected and trained by jedi? How could Leia ever defeat or turn Vader if she has no idea of her power and has no training whatsoever? Since we know Leia is taken by Bail it would make sense that Obi-Wan didn't know, if he was willing to risk Luke by being on the same planet as him so he could train him wouldn't he have Leia taken there too?