Joining the Force

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Originally posted by mephistodesigns
And there are also stories of Buddhist monks who willed themselves to die when they were ready, much like Obi-wan's death in ANH.

it was a statement of rebellion due to the vietnom war i think...

yes, he sat himself down on the steps of some government building, poured gasoline all over himself, lit himself on fire, and sat their meditating until death. he didn't even move. Very powerful stuff.

Get back op topic people.

well, before we got thrown off coarse by quagmire (gigidy gigidy gigidy 😂 ) and rage against the machine, we were on the topic
of the jedi religion, and how it seems to parallel budhist befiefs in that
all living things are part of one whole universe, and when a person dies and is able to let go of his/her earthly posessions (including their own identity) they become one with the universe.

the idea i have is that quigon finds a way to stop this from happening, when the situation calls for it. he finds a way to hold on to his identity.

thoughts?

didn't we already discuss that? Oh all right...
That's exactly what I think he did. He just doesn't become one with the force. Apparently you can refuse or choose not to. As I assume Obi-wan does the same, then Yoda, then Anakin. Maybe at death, until you do become one with the force, you would still retain your identity so you'd still be able to think like you and say, "i'm not going yet, I got something I wanna check out first". And then they hang around. Since you would have your identity until becoming one with the force, you would be able to conciously make a decision not to join the force.

But Anakin doesn't even know that he can choose to join the Force...

how do you know that?

he doesnt know how to retain his identity.
lucas never says anything about it being the same as
becoming one with the force. imho, to retain your identity
would mean that you dont become one with the force...at least not
until you choose to.

Yes, but he also said OB1 and Yoda find out how to do that. And from the fight convo in ANH it is clear Anakin doesn't know about it. So when does he find out? I doubt Yoda or OB1 told him, Luke seems unaware of it so who tells him?

i think one of 2 things

1-he's the chosen one, so by default he can do it (not what i think)

2-yoda and ben guided him as he died (what i think)

think about it, yoda disappears when he dies, but you dont see him again till the end...what was his purpose for doing 'the trick'?

I dunno. That's the problem. We don't know what purpose it serves. In fact, we don't know anything. All we know it is some sort of exclusive JEdi thing that OB1 and Yoda discover. We see them doing it, but we definately DON'T SEE Anakin do. And we also don't see Qui-Gon disappear but his voice lingers on somehow....

And Yoda and OB1 guiding Anakin... that's kinda lame. But who knows...

lame?

i kinda like it.

it doesnt allude to them planning the whole thing,
more like a 'just in case' move.

problem is...we will never know.... if that was the case.

yeah, why is that lame? their his old masters, training is what they do. That's cool. It shows that they're glad to have him back and its a way of welcoming him back to the light.

They didn't die!

I was reading a magazine, and it says they were just actors! They stood in front of a blue screen and had people make them look like ghosts!

I can't believe it. The X-Wings are just models too! It's the moon landing all over again!

I hear the man behind this conspiracy is George Lucas, we must rebel now!

No, no, none of this adds up at all!

OMG I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Iguess now you are gonna tell me that the Jedi and the Force are nothing but MOVIE MAGIC.......
NNNNNOOOOOOOooooooooo.........

Superfly, now you are just being delusional.
or perhaps you are just pulling our legs?

OF COARSE xwings are real, ben and yoda are NOT actors and they really are dead. how could you have such a lack of respect for the dearly departed jedi??? SHAME ON YOU!!!

don't preach that nonesense here!!! 😠

OHHHH Thank You PVS, I thought he was serious.

Originally posted by mephistodesigns
yeah, why is that lame? their his old masters, training is what they do. That's cool. It shows that they're glad to have him back and its a way of welcoming him back to the light.

Filmwise is it lame... It's soft, mushy and impossible to explain. It's a kinda forced Spielberg-happy-ending thing... "See!! All's well taht ends well! Never mind the thousands that were killed by Vader's evil, he's good now and all is forgotten". I'd prefer it that Vader has to make it to the Force the hard way: purged by fire... If something like that is hinted at in EPIII, I'd be pretty happy. It'd show that Vader went the hard way in everything he did. Sort of poetic justice.

Just found this on the OS forum (to o with Sifo Dyas). What i thought was interesting was the comment below:

"4) Qui Gon's body didn't dissapear (all light side do even the ones on geonosis watch carefully next time i promise you)"

Don't know if this is true (i doubt it) but if anyones near a DVD player take a look.