Perhaps it was just bad editing, if he's talking about where I think he is. All the bodies do seem to be gone by the time the Jedi are in a circle, but again, I think that's just bad editing. Lucas has said only Qui-gon, Obi-wan and Yoda know how.
queeq--I understand what you were saying about Vader's easy way out, but remember, the Jedi always try to rehabilitate and forgive. It's not in their nature to make Anakin suffer for what he's done.
Originally posted by queeq
Filmwise is it lame... It's soft, mushy and impossible to explain. It's a kinda forced Spielberg-happy-ending thing... "See!! All's well taht ends well! Never mind the thousands that were killed by Vader's evil, he's good now and all is forgotten". I'd prefer it that Vader has to make it to the Force the hard way: purged by fire... If something like that is hinted at in EPIII, I'd be pretty happy. It'd show that Vader went the hard way in everything he did. Sort of poetic justice.
but queeq, kenobi makes it quite clear that he never blamed anakin. he was so willing to forgive his actions that he never equated darth vader with anakin. "the good man who was your father" and "twisted and evil" are two entirely different people to him.
anakin killed palpatine, a task which nobody else was powerful enough to do. when it was just the OT, i didnt think this was so, but now with the plot addition of anakin being the 'chosen one' and how he would 'bring balance to the force' its safe to say that without him,
the emporer would have taken over anyway. his plan was fool-proof and destined to work. it was already in full motion even before anakin was discovered.
the only purpose vader served was to accelerate sidious' plans by eliminating the remaining jedi. had it not been anakin, it would have been someone/something else...like general greivous version 2.0.
if it was reality, then anakin's actions would not be forgivable. but in story telling, such actions are sometimes forgivable. take lando...please. (snare shot) in ep5 he was a traitor and in ep6 he was a general, and not only led the attack on the DS2, but was the one who blew it up, with wedge's help of coarse.
without forgiveness, the SW galaxy would never have been freed from the emporer.
Originally posted by mephistodesigns
Perhaps it was just bad editing, if he's talking about where I think he is. All the bodies do seem to be gone by the time the Jedi are in a circle, but again, I think that's just bad editing. Lucas has said only Qui-gon, Obi-wan and Yoda know how.queeq--I understand what you were saying about Vader's easy way out, but remember, the Jedi always try to rehabilitate and forgive. It's not in their nature to make Anakin suffer for what he's done.
your forgeting anakin knows how as well😛
Originally posted by PVS
but queeq, kenobi makes it quite clear that he never blamed anakin. he was so willing to forgive his actions that he never equated darth vader with anakin. "the good man who was your father" and "twisted and evil" are two entirely different people to him.anakin killed palpatine, a task which nobody else was powerful enough to do. when it was just the OT, i didnt think this was so, but now with the plot addition of anakin being the 'chosen one' and how he would 'bring balance to the force' its safe to say that without him,
the emporer would have taken over anyway. his plan was fool-proof and destined to work. it was already in full motion even before anakin was discovered.the only purpose vader served was to accelerate sidious' plans by eliminating the remaining jedi. had it not been anakin, it would have been someone/something else...like general greivous version 2.0.
if it was reality, then anakin's actions would not be forgivable. but in story telling, such actions are sometimes forgivable. take lando...please. (snare shot) in ep5 he was a traitor and in ep6 he was a general, and not only led the attack on the DS2, but was the one who blew it up, with wedge's help of coarse.
without forgiveness, the SW galaxy would never have been freed from the emporer.
That may all be very nice for a philosphical debate. Moviewise it just sucks. Simply because you can't explain something like that simply and impossible to do it without some dreary explanatory dialogue, which is then very very boring. And in fact: it isn't explained at all and never will. So solutionwise, I'd like it if something in ROTS would be said about fire as a purging way to redeem a Jedi willing to join the Force.... then we can draw our own conclusions for ROTJ.... and debate it till we die... 😉