Originally posted by Mr. Love(I find it interesting.) This reminds me of when I was at a community college recently.
Does it matter? Gayness is here to stay. No one can turn the closk back to when gays weren't around.... I bet you'd have to go back to ancient Greece or Rome to find a society without teh gayness.
I think homosexuality must be chosen in most general cases. It seems more and more prevalent.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Surely if one's a choice, than the alternative must be a choice aswell.
N-not really.
I suppose you could argue that maybe, once you choose to be homosexual you could choose to be straight again. Though that's also not necessary.
Hypothetically something could be the standard for everyone and you could choose to differ without being able to change this choice you made once.
I'm interested, for those who think that sexual orientation is 100% non-"choice", here is a thought experiment:
Could, hypothetically, a person be conditioned to be sexually aroused to the sight/context of something they were not previously?
if yes, could that context be a person of the same gender?
and if yes, does that constitute a shift in sexual orientation or can you be aroused by something you arent sexually oriented toward?
also, I've just been to a couple of conferences, where I got to read some upcoming research that talks about very low level visual/perceptual differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals. I don't have it off hand, but could probably get the abstract, however, if these differences do exist, it is almost 100% proof positive that sexual orientation is based more on lower level (genetic, developmental, etc) things than things like "choice"
Why Gays Don't Go Extinct:
http://www.livescience.com/health/080617-hereditary-homosexuality.html
Gay men, straight women have similar brains:
Originally posted by Bardock42
N-not really.I suppose you could argue that maybe, once you choose to be homosexual you could choose to be straight again. Though that's also not necessary.
Hypothetically something could be the standard for everyone and you could choose to differ without being able to change this choice you made once.
Then I invite you to give it try. See if it fits.
Originally posted by Devil King
Then I invite you to give it try. See if it fits.
I don't think Bardock is arguing that homosexuality works in this way, just that there are norms people don't necessary "choose" to follow, however there are choices that can be made that do not follow that norm. And that, just because something is choice does not mean it could be undone.
I don't believe he was specifically stating that one chooses to be homosexual in the way they choose to get a tattoo
no, if I understand he is speaking abstractly about choice, period. That, were something a choice, it doesn't mean you can choose to go back or that for some things people choose to do, there are people who do not, though because their actions are not different from normal, are not specifically choosing not to.
I think XYZ asked him something more abstract about choice and he just used homosexuality as a context
If the point in any of it was that a descision was made to be a homosexual, abstract or not, I invite him to make that descision and trry it out. If, however, he does not find it to his liking, he can choose to go back to finding women attractive. I mean, it's just a matter of a few mouse clicks on xtube.
However, if none of that was his point, then he is thinking and speaking on a level that confuses me.
Originally posted by inimalistYa, I'd invite anyone who thinks it is a choice to choose to be gay.
There's a catch, the people (usually religious) who are steadfast in believing it is a choice, will almost always argue that heterosexuality is normal and ingrained, but homosexuals choose to go against this normalcy, be it concious or subconcious.
Originally posted by Robtard
There's a catch, the people (usually religious) who are steadfast in believing it is a choice, will almost always argue that heterosexuality is normal and ingrained, but homosexuals choose to go against this normalcy, be it concious or subconcious.
yes, and were that true, in Bardock's mind, I believe he would say that the "choice" to be normal doesn't constitute a choice of sexuality
I might split hairs, but thats essentially it
Originally posted by Robtard
There's a catch, the people (usually religious) who are steadfast in believing it is a choice, will almost always argue that heterosexuality is normal and ingrained, but homosexuals choose to go against this normalcy, be it concious or subconcious.
These same religious "folk" also will not listen to reason, even if you cite medical resources to prove genetics are involved.