This is gonna get ugly.

Originally posted by eleveninches
If the woman does NOT take the husbands last name, then their child (if they ever have one) will not be sure whether they should call themselves by the mother or father's surname. This would be bad for the child as they would be more unsure about their self identity and just who they are.

im posting now and qouting this post cuz i disagree...just cuz a woman does NOT take her husbands last name doesntgive their children idenity crisis..

children are not that fragile . they are born...you choose based on whats best for your family which last name he/she should have then thats it . they dont care . children care about one thing and thats having a family that is together . mommy and daddy are together or at least happy and have a good partnership then they are happy....only way i can think of them NOT being sure of who they are based on their last name is if the parents make an issue out of it . if there is a divorse and one parent goes back to a previous name before marrige , then maybe the child would be confused as to what name to have .

if they have had different last names since the begining...it really is no big deal . children are stronger then that . i wished more people would realize this .

I agree. And personally I think it is a rather outdated social norm to expect a women to take her husbands name, after all, she is just as deserving to honor the name of her family, her personal identity, or just chose to retain a name that is clearly belongs to her. And I mean, why not have the husband take his wife's name? It's all about choice.

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
I strongly agree. women are getting carried away these days. aside from this issue, tha things most women want nowadays are actually NOT equal to wut men have.

There are many reasons why this is...one for example is that as a gender, they feel a "freedom high" when they are breaking a traditional rule. its like when you get your first job and your money isn't just from your parents, or when you get your first apartment....you feel free and on your own without ANYONE even SLIGHTLY above you. to be honest, if i was female...i would sit here and type "OMG I'M SOOO KEEPING MY NAME". noone wants to feel oppressed, take any kid for example and tell him/her they cant like girls/guys cuz he/she is too young - they'll definitely not like anyone telling them that.

Carried away?
It is because of people that think like you that peole similar to you are doing their best to opress women! Stop being so sexist!

Women ARE equal to men, desite what you or any other sexist [insert word here, im not allowed to, because im a mod] might think!

I cant even believe you wrote that? How in the hell are women not equal to men? Why? Why are they not, pelase give me ONE good reason as to why women are not equal?

Christ! We're in 21st century and there are people who still think and live in 12th.

You are comparing the gender inequality to something so ridiculous i cant even begin to rip it apart!

Why cant women be equal to men? Because you and bunch of other men need to feel superior over someone!

I have no time or patience for people who wear their insecurities on their sleeves like the badges of honour!

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
We guys can't understand it because we're...well...GUYS. women aren't stupid, but they are usually oblivious to wut causes them to think in tha ways they do - if they are right [in their mind] it HAS to be tha only way and it HAS to be right by all means.

Oh great superior one! Please explain to me as to how did you conclude that utterly ridiculous conclusion?!

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
Many of you said it didn't matter, in actuality - everything matters. it would surely be a huge slap in my face if she rejected my name. also, there is no just reason for doing so. many of you didn't understand tha concept of "if she doesn't take tha name she prolly likes other guys"...wut i think he/she meant was that even though its not a direct clear statement...that wife is suggesting something unacceptable [and i know women get flared when there are boundaries...but face it there ARE boundaries, there HAS to be, and WE HAVE THEM TOO].

AS already said in the, taking a husbands name is a form of ownership branding! I and many other women sure as hell dont want to be owned by NO man!
Get a grip!

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
If you decide to not take his name just so you can rebel...you are increcibly influenced by stupid women who go too far to get their sence of freedom high. if you decide his name is ugly, then you're simply a ***** for going against a tradition because his name isn't to your liking - you might aswell slap him everytime you explain to someone that you kept your own name.

I don't care if you or any other man find it hard to know what women want these days; I don't care if you are angry or frustrated because someone (us) changed the rules while you weren't looking and forgot to send them a goddamned memo. Get used to it. Or get a cat.

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
I agree that some things were unfair to women [AND AM GLAD THOSE WERE CHANGED], and that feeling of triumph over oppressors or wut i call "freedom high" has created a new false sense of rightiousness in tha new generations of women. its just gone WAY too far.

I'm not saying shut tha **** up and go to tha kitchen, i'm saying babe open your eyes and just love me back.

Gone too far?

It's a well-known fact that the Y chromosome is an incomplete version of the X chromosome. It's truncated and has less DNA. Which means that (loosely speaking) men are really just imperfect versions of women.

Get used to it sweetheart. Noone is gonna take your name, and it will die out together with you and your old fashioned attitude.

*Claps
Very good response.

Originally posted by BackFire
It's up to the woman.

yup. 🙂

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Carried away?
It is because of people that think like you that peole similar to you are doing their best to opress women! Stop being so sexist!

Women ARE equal to men, desite what you or any other sexist [insert word here, im not allowed to, because im a mod] might think!

I cant even believe you wrote that? How in the hell are women not equal to men? Why? Why are they not, pelase give me ONE good reason as to why women are not equal?

Christ! We're in 21st century and there are people who still think and live in 12th.

You are comparing the gender inequality to something so ridiculous i cant even begin to rip it apart!

Why cant women be equal to men? Because you and bunch of other men need to feel superior over someone!

I have no time or patience for people who wear their insecurities on their sleeves like the badges of honour!

Oh great superior one! Please explain to me as to how did you conclude that utterly ridiculous conclusion?!

AS already said in the, taking a husbands name is a form of ownership branding! I and many other women sure as hell dont want to be owned by NO man!
Get a grip!

I don't care if you or any other man find it hard to know what women want these days; I don't care if you are angry or frustrated because someone (us) changed the rules while you weren't looking and forgot to send them a goddamned memo. Get used to it. Or get a cat.

Gone too far?

It's a well-known fact that the Y chromosome is an incomplete version of the X chromosome. It's truncated and has less DNA. Which means that (loosely speaking) men are really just imperfect versions of women.

Get used to it sweetheart. Noone is gonna take your name, and it will die out together with you and your old fashioned attitude.

First of all.....LOL. second of all, wow where do i begin.

I dont know what got into you....maybe you are a prime example of a new generation of women i was describing who want more than equality. you didn't fully comprehend tha paragraphs you qouted and pounced on me assuming i said more than wut i was saying.

If you read carefull, i didn't even say women are not equal not men..i said "tha things most women want nowadays are actually NOT equal to wut men have".

I dont know you, so therefore i cant feel sympathy for any harm an oppressive male may have caused you. i simply cant decipher why you have so much anger that you are being so closed minded about this issue. women asking for freedom SHOULD be responded with nice men who are understanding....yet women like YOU aren't understanding to us. why do you treat me like an enemy? why is it IMPALED in your head that we want tha worst for you?

I do believe in equality, to a degree. just because we are in tha 21st century, doesn't mean we should go insane. sure women should have some freedoms, but when you get married...you're not doing so to remain an individually free-on-your-own-lady. a marriage is a sacred bond of two people and as tradition holds - tha man's name is given to tha wife. that by all means is no symbol of ownership. why would anyone even think that it is a symbol of ownership?? it was originally designed to keep track of a persons ancestry. giving women that ability while giving it to men would complicate things. so if one gender is to be able to do this...why not leave it like it is? plus, women can benefit just as much from it as men can. if men and women are both equal...wuts wrong with passing on our names? cant you just let it be as it is?

Quite frankly, you need to change just as those sexist males needed to change. fist you need to calm down and realize that not EVERYTHING means that you will be oppressed. like i said, not taking your husbands name is a slap in his face - someone who by no means wants to own you by giving you his name. its pure insanity...women are truly getting carried away. i'll go out of my mind if i think of wuts next.

My theory of "freedom high" couldn't be explained better by people like you. i respect women for protesting on understandable issues...but those days are over. women keep repeating tha scene for liberation over and over and now younger generations of women are not only disgusted by tha past, they also ***** about every little issue today that are actually NOT designed to oppress women. that is one of tha SICKEST things going on in our world because it is so hidden and not understood in our society. and poor little girls who had horrible experiences with assholes for guys, suck in all this coupled with their hatred and ultimately make tha good men suffer.

If there is a true right cause, its to make women such as yourself understand that they are manipulated by society into wanting too much...just to attain a liberated sensation. Karma is real, all guys are suffering in this generation and tha generations to come because of our dumbass male ancestors.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

I don't care if you or any other man find it hard to know what women want these days; I don't care if you are angry or frustrated because someone (us) changed the rules while you weren't looking and forgot to send them a goddamned memo. Get used to it. Or get a cat.

Gone too far?

It's a well-known fact that the Y chromosome is an incomplete version of the X chromosome. It's truncated and has less DNA. Which means that (loosely speaking) men are really just imperfect versions of women.

Get used to it sweetheart. Noone is gonna take your name, and it will die out together with you and your old fashioned attitude.

😂 milla...i love you girl 😂 omg...it hurts to laugh this hard .

seriouslly though....i was thinking about this more and i seen it posted that even women who keep there own name got in from a man....well is that to say that the first woman who had a last name....got it from a man ? cant prove it...but i serioully doubt it 😬

I hope you dont misunderstand my post as you did before. i really feel for suffering women since i've seen my mom suffer all my life. that is partly why i support many freedoms women have and should have.

But at tha same time, you can't let one bad apple spoil tha bunch. most guys dont truly understand wuts happening and will either go against womens liberation like tha sexist assholes they are..and tha others will just do wut women say since women have such a strong over-powering voice in our society.

I disagree with strong over-powering voices because they always start out right....but end up far from it. and that is tha real issue at hand. a simple gesture of a mere last name triggers immense emotion in todays women who are programmed to think that there are and will always be countless things keeping them from ever truly being free. it just sickens me that women are made such fools and how most people dont even comprehend this issue.

You can take my words and believe wutever twist your mind puts to it. my voice alone is far too weak to ever be heard outside of this thread...understanding that i have no expectations. i just hope intelligent women such as yourself will one day realize tha truth.

first of all lil i think your readin too much into this, its nothing to do with ownership or sexism, even when i am married and if my wife has taken my name i would never assume that i own her, in fact i would be extremely honoured if she did that for me. its not sexistat all. Yes men and women are equal, and that chromosome thing was a cheap shot big time.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

It's a well-known fact that the Y chromosome is an incomplete version of the X chromosome. It's truncated and has less DNA. Which means that (loosely speaking) men are really just imperfect versions of women.

Get used to it sweetheart. Noone is gonna take your name, and it will die out together with you and your old fashioned attitude.

Uber feminist without a cause. 😱

EDIT-P.S I knew it would get ugly. 😎

i dont really see what the big deal is. its not like when a woman gets married heir last name dissapears forever, it just becomes their middle name.
now some will say, "boo hoo, what if they like their current middle name and don't want their last as their middle?" well, then why do they want to keep at as their last, surely if their is something wrong with their last name, so they wouldn't want it as their middle, how could they possibly what to deny their husband's last name? and i may be wrong, but i think that when a woman gets married they don't have to put their last name as their middle.

Originally posted by pr1983
first of all lil i think your readin too much into this, its nothing to do with ownership or sexism, even when i am married and if my wife has taken my name i would never assume that i own her, in fact i would be extremely honoured if she did that for me. its not sexistat all. Yes men and women are equal, and that chromosome thing was a cheap shot big time.

Actually I am not reading too much into it. Thats exactly why sexism exist in the first place, because when someone tries to speak up against something like this, they are ''overreacting'

Is that another way to shut me up? ''You're overreacting, shut up and go away!''

I dont think so - I refuse to live in a world where every man is a god and every woman is a vessel waiting to be filled. No way, no how.

I might as well just go ahaead and be a full time lesbian - man these days are very rarely not sexist - not that i need a man to feel secure and be happy. Now I even have to take his surname? Dont think so.

I dont think so - I refuse to live in a world where every man is a god and every woman is a vessel waiting to be filled. No way, no how.

I might as well just go ahaead and be a full time lesbian - man these days are very rarely not sexist - not that i need a man to feel secure and be happy. Now I even have to take his surname? Dont think so.

you really have never met a decent guy have you?

And she never will with that attitude.❌

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88

If there is a true right cause, its to make women such as yourself understand that they are manipulated by society into wanting too much...just to attain a liberated sensation. Karma is real, all guys are suffering in this generation and tha generations to come because of our dumbass male ancestors.

If i was truly manipulated by the society, i would be agreeing with everything you have said in the first reply.

But I'll say one thing If a man has any character, he will not have a problem with a smart and capable woman that doesn't let men push her around - and that is the only kind of man I want to be with. Too bad so many think like you.

yeah, but nowadays women can do as they please and get away with it all in the name of feminism, us guys are getting royally screwed because of our ancestors. its a double standard.

Originally posted by David Duchovony
And she never will with that attitude.❌

Oh right, yes you are correct, I have a shitty attitude, im bitter and sarcastic and a man hater. You read me like a book. Bravo.

If you don't like it, go find someone to talk to who won't upset you by having a brain.

Ok. But...you are kinda bitter.

"If you read carefull, i didn't even say women are not equal not men..i said "tha things most women want nowadays are actually NOT equal to wut men have"."

You said "wut". Therefore I will now disregaurd everything you say.

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