This is gonna get ugly.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
If i was truly manipulated by the society, i would be agreeing with everything you have said in the first reply.

But I'll say one thing If a man has any character, he will not have a problem with a smart and capable woman that doesn't let men push her around - and that is the only kind of man I want to be with. Too bad so many think like you.

Darling, oppressive males aren't tha only ones that manipulated society. that was my whole point - that any cause can go insane and slowly slant towards being more wrong, than right. which is wut happened to tha femanist movement. in actuality you ARE manipulated by todays' society. every girl that has been done wrong by a man, is taught more to hate men with facts about women's oppresive past. now we have women like you everywhere displacing their anger as well as over-analyzing small things such as receiving their husbands last name and putting way too much emotion in it. like i said, ultimately...your SON will suffer.

When a group of people are suffering, they fight for wut is right...but wut happens when they accomplish their goal yet they still have millions of new women who have displaced their hatred for a few bad men, into changing anything that they wrongfully believe oppresses women?

A man's character should not be judged on whether hes gona totally supportive to his wife...it should be based on wut hes supporting because face it women can be wrong[and most are wrong, unknowingly, in todays society].

I wana be with a woman like you, but a woman smart enough to differentiate tha difference between old tactics to oppress women and some ever-expanding liberation group that has gone far outside of its original objective. that same liberation group that influences millions of women like you to STRONLY believe it is right...but disgracing is tha total opposite.

Originally posted by BackFire
"If you read carefull, i didn't even say women are not equal not men..i said "tha things most women want nowadays are actually NOT equal to wut men have"."

You said "wut". Therefore I will now disregaurd everything you say.

haha!! 😂 Priceless!

Wut is obviously slang for What. so wuts tha difference? if you mean most people that type like that are stupid and generally have biased opinions..and you are associating me in that group..then you are just as wrong as my male ancestors who thought all women were stupid.

I'd like to add that you strong women can really hurt a sensitive guy's heart. and we're tha ones that are supporting you most of tha time.
something i cant really say when some ***** is doing so in real life.
Not that i was hurt, but tha way you wrote reminded me of this.

^ Directed to lilbitchiness.

Darling, oppressive males aren't tha only ones that manipulated society. that was my whole point - that any cause can go insane and slowly slant towards being more wrong, than right. which is wut happened to tha femanist movement. in actuality you ARE manipulated by society. every little girl that has been done wrong by a man, is taught to hate men with facts about women's oppresive past. now we have women like you everywhere displacing their anger as well as over-analizing small things and putting way too much emotion in it. like i said, ultimately...your SON will suffer.

I don't believe a woman wanting to keep her original last name is "going insane". You're blowing it way out of proportion. If anyone is overanalizing the importances of the name change being a necessity, it's you. It's a trivial matter. If you are really upset because a woman wants to keep her own last name, then you must not be a very secure guy.

Perhaps you could understand if you put yourself in the shoes of a woman who is about to get married. Would YOU want to change your last name just because it's "tradition"? Doubtful. (lets face facts, most "traditions" are stupid and are only done because people are equally stupid and aren't comfortable with changing said traditions to conform with todays society, and the different ideals that are extracted from it.

And how the hell will a child suffer if the mom keeps her last name? Sounds like a bunch of shit to me.

When a group of people are suffering, they fight for wut is right...but wut happens when they accomplish their goal yet they still have millions of new women who have displaced their hatred for a few bad men, into changing anything that they wrongfully believe oppresses women?

They're not changing anything. They're simply saying that THEY themselves don't want to change their last name. It's not like they're saying ALL women should/must do the same. It's their own decision to decide what is done with their last name, despite how much you'd like to think that you're say should matter.

A man's character should not be judged on whether hes gona totally supportive to his wife...it should be based on wut hes supporting because face it women can be wrong[and most are wrong, unknowingly, in todays society].

If you're not going to support your wife just because she is not taking your last name, then you are destined to be a bad husband. Women can be wrong, but there is nothing wrong with wanting to keep your original last name. I know I wouldn't want to change my last name if the tradition were switched up, I doubt you would either. So I can understand where they are coming from. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it's "wrong". If anyone is wrong in this matter, it's you, by insinuating that women shouldn't have a choice in whether or not they want to take the mans last name, that they should do it just because it's "tradition" and for some dumb reason you will be offended if they don't.

I wana be with a woman like you, but a woman smart enough to differentiate tha difference between old tactics to oppress women and some ever-expanding liberation group that has gone far outside of its original objective. that same liberation group that influences millions of women like you to STRONLY believe it is right...but disgracing is tha total opposite.

So what if they strongly believe it's right? Let them keep their last name and move on, no ones making you change your last name. Perhaps they see the taking of a husbands name as an old opression tool and aren't comfortable with it. Since it was done in the old times to prove that the woman was the mans property. It's understandable.

Again, just because something is traditional doesn't mean it's right. Most of the times traditions are stupid and only continue to exist because they are traditions.

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
Wut is obviously slang for What. so [b]wuts tha difference? if you mean most people that type like that are stupid and generally have biased opinions..and you are associating me in that group..then you are just as wrong as my male ancestors who thought all women were stupid.

I'd like to add that you strong women can really hurt a soft guy's heart.
something i cant really say when some ***** is doing so in real life.
Not that i was hurt, but tha way you wrote reminded me of this. [/B]

Whoa, you mean "wut" is slang for 'what"? Holy shit, I didn't know!

I know what it's slang for, it makes you look dumb and lazy, take the extra nano-second and type the word out properly. It's stupid retard internet speak. I don't know where you got the "biased opinions" thing. I never knew that purposely misspelling a word to save a billionth of a second means you have could have a biased opinion.

If you're heart gets hurt because some woman doesn't want to take your last name, then you need help.

Originally posted by BackFire
I don't believe a woman wanting to keep her original last name is "going insane". You're blowing it way out of proportion. If anyone is overanalizing the importances of the name change being a necessity, it's you. It's a trivial matter. If you are really upset because a woman wants to keep her own last name, then you must not be a very secure guy.

Perhaps you could understand if you put yourself in the shoes of a woman who is about to get married. Would YOU want to change your last name just because it's "tradition"? Doubtful. (lets face facts, most "traditions" are stupid and are only done because people are equally stupid and aren't comfortable with changing said traditions to conform with todays society, and the different ideals that are extracted from it.

And how the hell will a child suffer if the mom keeps her last name? Sounds like a bunch of shit to me.

They're not changing anything. They're simply saying that THEY themselves don't want to change their last name. It's not like they're saying ALL women should/must do the same. It's their own decision to decide what is done with their last name, despite how much you'd like to think that you're say should matter.

If you're not going to support your wife just because she is not taking your last name, then you are destined to be a bad husband. Women can be wrong, but there is nothing wrong with wanting to keep your original last name. I know I wouldn't want to change my last name if the tradition were switched up, I doubt you would either. So I can understand where they are coming from. Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean it's "wrong". If anyone is wrong in this matter, it's you, by insinuating that women shouldn't have a choice in whether or not they want to take the mans last name, that they should do it just because it's "tradition" and for some dumb reason you will be offended if they don't.

So what if they strongly believe it's right? Let them keep their last name and move on, no ones making you change your last name. Perhaps they see the taking of a husbands name as an old opression tool and aren't comfortable with it. Since it was done in the old times to prove that the woman was the mans property. It's understandable.

Again, just because something is traditional doesn't mean it's right. Most of the times traditions are stupid and only continue to exist because they are traditions.

Look buddy, this issue between me and lilbitchiness was a little outside of our topic. most of wut you replied to such as tha whole insane thing, was not about tha simple last name issue. i was speaking broadly, as she was. again, i dont know where to begin.

First off, maybe YOU dont feel like its a slap in tha face...but i would. and many have also said they would in this very thread. i see your so understanding to women, but not understanding to tha other gender. by all means, tradition is not always good. but in THIS case, a name is not that serious. therefore if she loved me, i dont see how taking my name means she is branded as my property. perhaps you feel that it is a tool for making women our property, and that is your own sick belief. however that doesn't justify you saying that all men would use that as a means for making women their property.

Take ANYTHING that a man is supposed to do as tradition, if tha man does not do it...i assure you tha wife will feel unhappy about it. why? because its like rejection.

And i wasn't over-analyzing tha issue, i was saying wut i thought causes women to put too much emphasis on this and relative matter. quite frankly, it is a serious matter because it is linked to how women feel nowadays towards men which is why i spoke so broadly.

I also, didn't say "a child suffer if the mom keeps her last name". sounds like mis-understanding to me. i said many women that have suffered at tha hands of men earlier in their life were led to be objectful towards issues that dont really oppress women.

Your lack of comprehension is straining me mentally....if anyone cares just read my previous posts and if you dont get it...too bad so sad. i hope one day you'll realize, if not...too bad so sad.

Originally posted by BackFire
Whoa, you mean "wut" is slang for 'what"? Holy shit, I didn't know!

I know what it's slang for, it makes you look dumb and lazy, take the extra nano-second and type the word out properly. It's stupid retard internet speak. I don't know where you got the "biased opinions" thing. I never knew that purposely misspelling a word to save a billionth of a second means you have could have a biased opinion.

If you're heart gets hurt because some woman doesn't want to take your last name, then you need help.

I wish you're idiocy humored me. when i said my heart gets hurt, i was referring to tha way she writes, not her perspective.

If you knew wut tha slang meant, then you shouldn't have said anything. if you thought I use slang because it makes me lazy to type 2 letters as oppose to one...you're sadly an idiot. its an alternative to another word which i've gotten used to. since it doesn't take away your billionth of a second, i am yet to see how it bothers you. you knew wut it meant so just keep it at that.

Your understanding on both accounts was very idiotic, if you ask me.

First off, maybe YOU dont feel like its a slap in tha face...but i would. and many have also said they would in this very thread. i see your so understanding to women, but not understanding to tha other gender. by all means, tradition is not always good. but in THIS case, a name is not that serious. therefore if she loved me, i dont see how taking my name means she is branded as my property. perhaps you feel that it is a tool for making women our property, and that is your own sick belief. however that doesn't justify you saying that all men would use that as a means for making women their property.

Jesus Christ, way to misread what I said. I didn't say I see it as a tool for making women property, I said it was ORIGINALLY a tool to show that the woman was now the property of man, and that SOME women may still see it that way. I know people don't view it that way now, but that is how it came to be.

You claim it's not a big deal, then you go on and say that you're all insulting and offended if she doesn't want your name. Contradiction. If it isn't a big deal then you would not get all freaked out if a woman didn't want your last name.

Also, you think I'm understanding of women, go ask lil bitchiness how many times she's called me sexist. In fact, take a look in my profile under the things I dislike. You will see that I dislike "Bulldyke feminazi's". Yeah, I'm really understand to the whole womens right movement.

And i wasn't over-analyzing tha issue, i was saying wut i thought causes women to put too much emphasis on this and relative matter. quite frankly, it is a serious matter because it is linked to how women feel nowadays towards men which is why i spoke so broadly.

That's an assumption, and an unfounded one at that. You don't know that the way women feel about the topic is linked to how women feel nowadays towards men. Maybe they just like their last name.

I also, didn't say "a child suffer if the mom keeps her last name". sounds like mis-understanding to me. i said many women that have suffered at tha hands of men earlier in their life were led to be objectful towards issues that dont really oppress women.

Then, there's this....

"now we have women like you everywhere displacing their anger as well as over-analyzing small things such as receiving their husbands last name and putting way too much emotion in it. like i said, ultimately...your SON will suffer."

You said "your son will suffer". That's what I was reffering too.

Your lack of comprehension is straining me mentally....if anyone cares just read my previous posts and if you dont get it...too bad so sad. i hope one day you'll realize, if not...too bad so sad.

Oh that's a cute little saying, kiddo. "Too bad, so sad". I have a feeling that trying (and failing) to put up a valid argument is what's straining you mentally.

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88
I wish you're idiocy humored me. when i said my heart gets hurt, i was referring to tha way she writes, not her perspective.

If you knew wut tha slang meant, then you shouldn't have said anything. if you thought I use slang because it makes me lazy to type 2 letters as oppose to one...you're sadly an idiot. its an alternative to another word which i've gotten used to. since it doesn't take away your billionth of a second, i am yet to see how it bothers you. you knew wut it meant so just keep it at that.

Your understanding on both accounts was very idiotic, if you ask me.

Well perhaps you should learn to write more clearly, it's very necessary when giving statemetns to actually elaborate on what you mean to say. If you ever wish to be a good speaker/writer/debater, you will need to learn how to do this. The whole making a vague easily misunderstandable statement and thing trying to throw dimwitted insults at the person who takes it a different way then you're original intention because of your poor and vague wording isn't going to fly. Just a friendly little lesson for you.

I'm the idiot, yet you still continue to type out idiot speak and dumbass slang by using "wut" instead of "what". Yeah, I'm a dumbass for using the actual word, makes about as much sense as you're poorly constructed arguments about the "taking the last name" topic. The fact that you've gotten used to typing words incorrectly, and don't have the brain power to type it properly anymore (since you've gotten used to it) shows which one of us is truley the idiot here.

And no one did ask you, nore is your opinion valid or sound. You may think my "understanding" is idiotic, but your inability to construct sentances to detail exactly what you are attempting to say is pretty idiotic in my book.

Oh boy not you again, i'm gona have to reply one by one on this one.

"Jesus Christ, way to misread what I said. I didn't say I see it as a tool for making women property, I said it was ORIGINALLY a tool to make show that the woman was now the property of man, and that SOME women may still see it that way. I know people don't view it that way now, but that is how it came to be. "

>Just because you explained that some women see it that way, does not mean it SHOULD be seen that way. Sure it could have been used as a means to make women property...but guys have changed...so should tha expectations be changed? hell yes. and you were talking about how women would feel about it NOW, and then you say "I know people don't view it that way now". I think you, yourself misread wut you were saying before.

"You claim it's not a big deal, then you go on and say that you're all insulting and offended if she doesn't want your name. Contradiction. If it isn't a big deal then you would not get all freaked out if a woman didn't want your last name."

>No, not contradiction. Tha whole issue is not a severe deal, you were taking about dismissing it if she didn't want to keep tha name. I, on tha other hand am saying that i would feel rejected if she decided not to take my name. it is still a meager issue, however tha big deal is that women are wrong to go after meager issues to satisfy their hunger for a liberated sensation.

"Also, you think I'm understanding of women, go ask lil bitchiness how many times she's called me sexist. In fact, take a look in my profile under the things I dislike. You will see that I dislike "Bulldyke feminazi's". Yeah, I'm really understand to the whole womens right movement."

>You talk about my contradictions? and you have tha nerve to type that paragraph? You're totally supporting women and read how you type. anyone would agree you are understanding to women. tha fact that i didn't know that you are oppose to many things is due to tha fact that I DONT KNOW YOU. your huge opposition to women taking husband's name is contradictory to your claim of disliking femanists.

"That's an assumption, and an unfounded one at that. You don't know that the way women feel about the topic is linked to how women feel nowadays towards men. Maybe they just like their last name."

>Uh i do know that if someone posts with comments as lilbitchiness did. she didn't want to keep her name just because she likes her last name. it is so damn clear, have you even read her posts?

"Then, there's this....

"now we have women like you everywhere displacing their anger as well as over-analyzing small things such as receiving their husbands last name and putting way too much emotion in it. like i said, ultimately...your SON will suffer."

You said "your son will suffer". That's what I was reffering too."

>You moron, earlier in my posts i said that "ultimately, men will suffer". i didn't think she got that point so i said "her son would suffer" to make it so she would better understand since she would love her son.

"Oh that's a cute little saying, kiddo. "Too bad, so sad". I have a feeling that trying (and failing) to put up a valid argument is what's straining you mentally. "

>No, i repeatedly tried to put my point across and you misunderstood and mixed up most of it. that was my frustration. i didn't fail to put a valid argument. i put it enough times, you are just asking me shit that would lead me to RE-TYPE wut i've already typed in ways where i would have to answer your questions AND get my point across. sorry no can do.

Your finding some bullshit to dismiss my points to favor your own...then you go and say you are against tha femanist movement and are sexist. you lost credibility to even argue with me, if you ask me...i think you've got some other agenda.

"Well perhaps you should learn to write more clearly, it's very necessary when giving statemetns to actually elaborate on what you mean to say. If you ever wish to be a good speaker/writer/debater, you will need to learn how to do this. The whole making a vague easily misunderstandable statement and thing trying to throw dimwitted insults at the person who takes it a different way then you're original intention because of your poor and vague wording isn't going to fly. Just a friendly little lesson for you."

>Well if you're not an idiot, i dont see why i should need to elaborate so much. I elaborated as much as someone of average intellience would need to get a grip of wut i meant to say.

"I'm the idiot, yet you still continue to type out idiot speak and dumbass slang by using "wut" instead of "what". Yeah, I'm a dumbass for using the actual word, makes about as much sense as you're poorly constructed arguments about the "taking the last name" topic. The fact that you've gotten used to typing words incorrectly, and don't have the brain power to type it properly anymore (since you've gotten used to it) shows which one of us is truley the idiot here."

>Your reasoning makes no sense. if people understand wut tha word means, then why would i need to change how i type? to impress YOU? lol you are no one to tell me how to type. we type to get our points across, not look very educated with perfect spelling. if that was tha case, this would be an english class. and for thinking i am incapable of writing what instead of wut just because i continue to type "wut", makes you an idiot to a new degree. i dont care who looks like an idiot, but if it comes down to that...i dont think an intelligent person reading this would consider how someone types tha word "what" to come to their conclusion of who's smarter.

"And no one did ask you, nore is your opinion valid or sound. You may think my "understanding" is idiotic, but your inability to construct sentances to detail exactly what you are attempting to say is pretty idiotic in my book. "

>Okay, i'll give it to you. you type better than i do. that by no means you are more correct than me because you type better. if you believe so, you are only proving how dumb you really are. it is how one thinks and reasons that makes them correct. so go ahead and type in detail your false reasonings. do it in great spelling and grammar. you'll still be wrong...in MY book.

Originally posted by HarmonicFlo88

I'd like to add that you strong women can really hurt a sensitive guy's heart. and we're tha ones that are supporting you most of tha time.
something i cant really say when some ***** is doing so in real life.
Not that i was hurt, but tha way you wrote reminded me of this.

^ Directed to lilbitchiness.

And your opressive nature doesnt hurt sensitive women? Please, i am not hurt because I have a brain, and i know how to use it.

Why are you grouping me in that oppressive men group? see how you are trained to wrongfully assume things?

Please read my posts, i am supportive to womens rights...i just see that it has gone out of hand.

"Just because you explained that some women see it that way, does not mean it SHOULD be seen that way. Sure it could have been used as a means to make women property...but guys have changed...so should tha expectations be changed? hell yes. and you were talking about how women would feel about it NOW, and then you say "I know people don't view it that way now". I think you, yourself misread wut you were saying before."

Yes, guys have changed, thus so should expectations. And so should outdated traditions, such as thinking it's some sort of insult towards you that she doesn't want your last name.
Again, the fact that it was initially made to have women take the mans last name to show them as property may bother women into not participating in the process. Even if they know that that's not the case anymore.

>"No, not contradiction. Tha whole issue is not a severe deal, you were taking about dismissing it if she didn't want to keep tha name. I, on tha other hand am saying that i would feel rejected if she decided not to take my name. it is still a meager issue, however tha big deal is that women are wrong to go after meager issues to satisfy their hunger for a liberated sensation."

If she's willing to marry you and spend her life with you, are you really going to have a hissy fit because she doesn't want your last name? It's her right, her decision, and a woman isn't making this decision to hurt you, they're making it because they either don't agree with that certain stipulation, or they simply like their last name. You should not take it personally.

"You talk about my contradictions? and you have tha nerve to type that paragraph? You're totally supporting women and read how you type. anyone would agree you are understanding to women. tha fact that i didn't know that you are oppose to many things is due to tha fact that I DONT KNOW YOU. your huge opposition to women taking husband's name is contradictory to your claim of disliking femanists"

It wasn't a contradiction, I put it in there to show you that I don't have my views because I'm some feminist loving hippy, but because I can actually UNDERSTAND where they're coming from with their feelings on this matter, regaurdless of my feelings for the feminist movement.

"Uh i do know that if someone posts with comments as lilbitchiness did. she didn't want to keep her name just because she likes her last name. it is so damn clear, have you even read her posts?"

Well then that is when you make a specific statement at lil that isn't a broad generalization of numerous women that is blatantly incorrect and based soley on one person.

">You moron, earlier in my posts i said that "ultimately, men will suffer". i didn't think she got that point so i said "her son would suffer" to make it so she would better understand since she would love her son."

Again, it's not my fault that you have poor wording. How was I supposed to know that you were reffering to an earlier statement in an earlier post, you made no reference to it. Can't blame me for sloppy writing.

"No, i repeatedly tried to put my point across and you misunderstood and mixed up most of it. that was my frustration. i didn't fail to put a valid argument. i put it enough times, you are just asking me shit that would lead me to RE-TYPE wut i've already typed in ways where i would have to answer your questions AND get my point across. sorry no can do."

Again, poor wording on your part is no fault of mine. Jumbling sentances and using sloppy grammar that makes your sentances and points difficult to grasp is not my fault. I got your basic argument about the topic, i was this. "I will be offended if my future wife doesn't take my name, because I feel she's rejecting me, even though she's willing to spend the rest of her life with me and marry me". Sorry, that's dumb.

"Your finding some bullshit to dismiss my points to favor your own...then you go and say you are against tha femanist movement and are sexist. you lost credibility to even argue with me, if you ask me...i think you've got some other agenda."

Sexist? No. Against the feminist movement? Somewhat. Against man hating he-she's who see everything as a power struggle? Hell yes. Also, I'm not "finding" bullshit in your points, it's just sorta there.

"Well if you're not an idiot, i dont see why i should need to elaborate so much. I elaborated as much as someone of average intellience would need to get a grip of wut i meant to say."

You don't need to elaborate "so much", but you do need to distinguish and make clear exactly who and what you're reffering too. Making a vague statement that could be taken numerous ways is just sloppy writing. And to call someone an idiot for taking a sloppy statement the wrong way is very childish, blaming them for a fault of yours.

">Your reasoning makes no sense. if people understand wut tha word means, then why would i need to change how i type? to impress YOU? lol you are no one to tell me how to type. we type to get our points across, not look very educated with perfect spelling. if that was tha case, this would be an english class. and for thinking i am incapable of writing what instead of wut just because i continue to type "wut", makes you an idiot to a new degree. i dont care who looks like an idiot, but if it comes down to that...i dont think an intelligent person reading this would consider how someone types tha word "what" to come to their conclusion of who's smarter."

So then do it? You know why it's dumb to type "wut" instead of "what"? It serve no purpose. You said you do it because your "used to it", that to me means that you are to lazy to type it properly and not sound like a 10 year old child who's trying to save some time. If you want to continue using stupid slang then be my guest, just don't ***** when someone makes fun of you for it, seeing as your bringing it on yourself by using a useless slang term.

"Okay, i'll give it to you. you type better than i do. that by no means you are more correct than me because you type better. if you believe so, you are only proving how dumb you really are. it is how one thinks and reasons that makes them correct. so go ahead and type in detail your false reasonings. do it in great spelling and grammar. you'll still be wrong...in MY book."

Of course your book is written in a sloppy manner, books written poorly don't go over very well, do they? 😉

Sooo, lets disect your reasoning shall we...

-Women should take a mans last name because it's "disrespectful" to men not to, and because you will be offended and see it as the woman "rejecting" you despite the fact that they would be willing to spend the rest of their life with you. This doesn't make much sense.

-You claim that wording and proper sentance and paragraph structure and the like isn't important, despite the fact that if you don't make solid, readable, understandable sentances, you're points won't come across as vividly as they could. Then, you insult the person who misinterprits a point you made because of sloppy wording. This doesn't make much sense.

So, I reject your reasoning AND your poor wording, and you reject my reasoning but accept the fact that my wording a sentance structure is better then yours, thus, indirectly that means my point will therefore come across more poigniently and without much of a chance of misunderstanding because of jumbled words. Okay, sounds good.

Yes, guys have changed, thus so should expectations. And so should outdated traditions, such as thinking it's some sort of insult towards you that she doesn't want your last name.
Again, the fact that it was initially made to have women take the mans last name to show them as property may bother women into not participating in the process. Even if they know that that's not the case anymore.

If they know its not tha case anymore, and they know tha husband isn't doing it for oppresive purposes and they still decide to not take their husbands name. there is clearly something wrong with her. her hatred for wut happened to women in tha past, is more important than following a tradition that doesn't hold tha same sexist value. its not about whether tha tradition started out bad or not, its about wut it stands for now. and in todays society it does NOT stand for anything bad so by all means she SHOULD take it. and just because you wont feel rejected if she rejects your name, doesn't mean we're not secure for thinking otherwise. not everyone should be like you, get over yourself.

If she's willing to marry you and spend her life with you, are you really going to have a hissy fit because she doesn't want your last name? It's her right, her decision, and a woman isn't making this decision to hurt you, they're making it because they either don't agree with that certain stipulation, or they simply like their last name. You should not take it personally.

For a moment i would be hurt yes. Just because it is less significant than her spending her life with me, doesn't dismiss tha issue automatically. it is her decision, but her decision IS going to hurt men because they have no just cause for making such a decision. i could see if carrying your husbands name was a sign of oppression TO THIS DAY. but it isn't like that anymore...so wut is her reasoning? because her hatred over our PAST and just rebeling for tha hell of it is more important to her than her love for me and how i feel about her rejection?
we cant live in a world like that. with an attitude like that we might as well round up a masculine movement to save ourselves as they saved themselves from us.

It wasn't a contradiction, I put it in there to show you that I don't have my views because I'm some feminist loving hippy, but because I can actually UNDERSTAND where they're coming from with their feelings on this matter, regaurdless of my feelings for the feminist movement.

Heck, i understood where they're coming from too. i've also stated in my first post where they're coming from. but understanding something doesn't mean it is automatically right. and if you're oppose to tha movement, how can you support many of their reasoning? your whole presence is contradictory.

Well then that is when you make a specific statement at lil that isn't a broad generalization of numerous women that is blatantly incorrect and based soley on one person.
Again, it's not my fault that you have poor wording. How was I supposed to know that you were reffering to an earlier statement in an earlier post, you made no reference to it. Can't blame me for sloppy writing.

It wasn't that broad of a generalization. you're going out of bounds when trying to make me look dumb. this is a forum, you can read her inputs as well as mine. when she says something and i respond, you can see both of our posts. how was my statement broad towards every women when i repeatedly mentioned "you"? referring to HER [lilbichiness]. obviously if you read posts one after another you would get that. it isn't sloppy writing, i just dont write like some robot like you're stating. i write with tha expectation that tha reader is smarter than backfire and can understand wut is going on in a thread.

Again, poor wording on your part is no fault of mine. Jumbling sentances and using sloppy grammar that makes your sentances and points difficult to grasp is not my fault. I got your basic argument about the topic, i was this. "I will be offended if my future wife doesn't take my name, because I feel she's rejecting me, even though she's willing to spend the rest of her life with me and marry me". Sorry, that's dumb.

Oh god damn, sorry english teacher but you cant even spell sentEnces right. jeez you need to get a life. i already told you that you can write well. though this is not an english class, just because you write more clearly doesn't mean your A+ results in me being incorrect. and if you think it is dumb, then fine but as i'm not alone in feeling rejected...your opinion doesn't matter.

Also, it is human nature to feel rejected even if she'll spend her whole life with me. just like its wrong to tell your wife she looks fat in that dress....your argument which is...to say "but i'm still with you honey, why are you hurt that i called you fat"...is purely RETARDED. emotions can be hurt regardless of tha fact that they are spending tha rest of their life with you.

Sexist? No. Against the feminist movement? Somewhat. Against man hating he-she's who see everything as a power struggle? Hell yes. Also, I'm not "finding" bullshit in your points, it's just sorta there.

Well you totally proved to be an idiot because i feel tha same about man hating women who flip out on little issues that have nothing to do with oppressing women in todays society. you have no solid argument against me backfire...your name itself hints that you're probably just having fun debating with me. but clearly you are wrong and you will stay that way on this issue.

I duno wut your agenda is, maybe you're trying to score points with lilbitchiness or w/e...you just need to drop it. i think we've beat tha hell out of each others perspectives. i cant change how you feel and you cant change how i feel. i just hope i enlightened some womens' minds on this issue. that is to say if they totally read ALL my posts on this thread with full comprehension which you obviously did not.

Since the whole "if a woman doesn't take her husband's name when she gets married it's like a slap to his face" argument keeps coming up...let's try this one. Has it ever occured to you (the people who say that) that being expected to give up her name is like a slap to the woman's face? Your name is part of your identity and who you are. It keeps being said that women who don't want to take on their husband's name have no good reason. Well, men who expect their wife to take on their surname have no good reason, either. Me, I don't know yet if I'll change my name or keep mine when I get married. But I don't know why it would be such a big deal if I did decide to keep my name.

it isnt a slap in the face, the problem is when a woman does it solely because she thinks its sexist and is trying to Be all liberated and shit. guys and girls were brought up to believe certain things, some girls imagine the whole big white wedding thing, everyone has certain ideas of what a wedding and marriage is like. if a girl says no, then its fine, just make sure its for the right reason and not for some temporary feeling of empowerment.

Women should be all liberated and shit. All women need to understand that noone gives you power - you just take it.

And if we all waitied for you to ''liberate us'' we wouldnt be anywhere near where we are now in society.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Women should be all liberated and shit. All women need to understand that noone gives you power - you just take it.

Power isn't something you have to take. Assuming we are talking about real power - power over onself - then it's something you simply have. Oppression is when you are made to forget that.