Magneto most powerful on earth?!

1. TOAA
2. The Heart Of The Universe/Pre-Reconned Beyonder
3. Living Tribunal
4. The Infinity Gauntlet
5. Death/Eternity/Infinity/Full Potential Galactus (as Third Essential Of Universe)
6. Oblivion
7. Celestials/Franklin Richards (full potential)
8. Master Order/Lord Chaos
9. Chronos
10. Love/Hate
11. Galactus (normal)/Stranger/Eon/Hoggoth/Oshtur/Agamotto/In-Betweener
12. Molecule Man
13. Shaper of Worlds/Beyonder/Kubik
14. Phoenix Force
15. Shuma Gorath/Dormammu
16. Demogorge The God Eater (Atum the Sun after consuming elder god)
17. Chthon/Set/Atum (the Sun God)/Demiurge/Gaea
18. Tyrant
19. Cyttarok/Surtur/Ymir/Odin/Zeus/Zuras/All Skyfathers/Destroyer Armor/Shaman X-Man
20. Mephisto
21. King Thor/Thanos
22. Captain Universe/Mangog/Kurse
23. Silver Surfer/Morg/Thor/Gladiator/X-Man (normal)/Genis-Vell/Loki/Beta Ray Bill/Terrax/Black Heart/Ronan The Executioner
24. Super Skrull/Annahilus/Blaastar/Black Bolt/Fire Lord/Enchantress
25. Magneto/Apocalypse/Exodus/Holocaust/Ultron/Nimrod/Mandarin
26. Juggernaut/Hulk
27. Dr.Doom/Iron Man/Wonder Man/Namor/Thing

Molecule Man isn't more powerful than Living Tribunal, nor is he uneffected by LT. IMO, the origins of his powers still doesn't make him immune to LT's jurisdiction. His powers is still below that of Tribunal, Eternity, etc. Molecule Man, Beyonder, Kubik, etc. are parts of a cosmic cube. And we all know that five or six cubes was still not enough to satisfy Magus, who wanted the power of the Infinity Gauntlet instead. If we're talking about Pre-reconned Beyonder, then yes LT isn't more powerful. If it's the True Beyonders, they are either less than, equal to, or above LT in power it's unknown. Molecule Man still only have a small portion of their powers. And no, Magneto can't kill Molecule Man - it's the other way around.

Though he comes from Earth, I'd rate him as a cosmic level being. Franklin is a mutant, but the exposure to the Power Rod and the fact that the origin of his mother's power on the same wave length as that of the Celestials and acquire from being exposed to cosmic radiation make Franklin a unique case. Yes he's a mutant, but abnormal from the rest. X-Man, however, is clearly and potentially the most powerful mutant.

Magneto is one of the most powerful mutant. And we are talking about raw power right? Doom, Iron Man, etc. don't count. It could make you powerful, but at hand who's more powerful. As for Apocalypse, what's he done to put him at planetary level powers? Tech aside, what can Apocalypse himself do? Don't know much about Gravy to judge.

I agree with a lot of that list, its been a while in the making I know, but what are your thoughts about the Earthly hierarchy?

And about Molecule Man, I wasnt trying to say he was out of the Tribunal's jurisdiction, or more pwerful than him, I never said that. I was just saying that the source of his power was outside that jurisdiction, since it came from the Beyonders (who would be at the second place in that list) who are outside of the multiverse. Basically I was just trying to respond to the comment about Juggernauts powers being from outside the dimension and immune to most energies that originate in that dimension...I was just trying to emphasize how Molecule Man's power came form an even more remote and powerful source than Cyttorak.

OOops, I forgot to talk about that. I think Cyttarok would be around skyfather. The guy does own an entire dimension and Strange often calls on his power. But I do agree Juggernaut isn't going to even compare to Molecule Man. I'm not even sure 8th Day Juggernaut can win against someone like MM. Even if Cyttorak was equal to or above Molecule Man in some way, Juggernaut is just his avatar and nothing more. He'll get turned into an apple if he tried something stupid like messing with a cube being.

ok now we are on the same page...U understand i wasnt trying to say MM would beat LT, but was just trying to make an illustration right?

Yes.

According to http://www.marvel.com/universe , Magneto is "arguably the most powerful man on earth."

Nearly every character listed in this thread as more powerful than Magneto is alien or non-human and / or derives his power from an alien or non-human source.

The question is who is the most powerful on earth. Not magneto

Cable, X-man, Franklin are all more powerful forsure.

Cable exists in an alternate dimension 2,000 years in the future and X-Man exists in an alternate reality.

Franklin Richards has the potential to be the most powerful man on earth; He has shown signs of telepathy, telekenesis, precognition and the ability to rearrange molecules - in an alternate future, he possesses immesurable psionic powers and can manipulate and alter reality with no limit - but currently, mental blocks prevent him from accessing his vast psionic potential.

even with the mental blocks he is still a a danger to all. Remember Roma? Remember when he augmented the fantastic fours powers against the captain britain corps? Remember when he created that pocket universe? he has certainly shown more power than Magneto. And franklins potential is to be far more powerful than the most powerful on earth, far far more.

Cable is ON earth and the reason he was far in the future is because thats where he was brought. he was actually the son of scott summers and madalyne pryor.

X-man was another person ON earth.

The question of this thread isnt, who is the most powerful mutant on earth which even then it wouldnt be mags but the Q was who is the most powerful on earth period.

Again not mags.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
According to http://www.marvel.com/universe , Magneto is "arguably the most powerful man on earth."

Nearly every character listed in this thread as more powerful than Magneto is alien or non-human and / or derives his power from an alien or non-human source.

marveldirectory.com is not official or recent...the info on franklin is outdated...he is vastly more powerful than magneto...by the way, Magneto is not human, he is a mutant

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The question is whether or not Magneto is "arguably the most powerful man on earth," as stated in his biography on http://www.marvel.com/universe.

According to http://www.marvel.com/universe, Franklin Richards has potential "FAR beyond that of other mutants" but his current abilities are as follows:

intelligence: 3, strength: 2, speed: 2, durability: 1, energy projection: 1, fighting skills: 1

When Apocalypse infected their son, Nathan Charles Christopher Summers, with a techno-organic virus, Madeline Pryor and Scott Summers sent him with the Askani into the future so he could be cured.

Cable represents one possible outcome of Nathan Charles Christopher Summers from over 2,000 years in the future.

X-Man was created by Mr. Sinister from the genetic material of Jean Grey and Scott Summers in an alternate reality in which Apocalypse conquered the earth.

Cable is from an alternate future and X-Man is from an alternate reality, therefore neither of them really qualify for this argument.

Wynndar>

The information I posted is from http://www.marvel.com/universe, the official site for current Marvel biographies.

hu·man n. A member of the genus Homo, especially of the species sapienz.

While Magneto is a mutant or "individual arising or resulting from mutation", he is sitll a member of the genus Homo, and therefore, still very much human.

Oh i must have misread it, i thought u said marvel directory, sorry...it still out dated if it didnt recognize Franklin as the most powerful..with the Abraxis story line last year, he deomonstrated vast power that even affected Eternity and Galactus...out of Magneto's league even if he can affect the Earth's poles...Marvel also calls Abomination one of the most powerful beings on Earth, but I will not argue he is on par with richards...same goes for Magneto.

Cable is from an alternate future and X-Man is from an alternate reality, therefore neither of them really qualify for this argument.

This doesnt show that they dont qualify. They both lived on earth, in regular continuity. They were and in the case of Cable are more powerful than mags. You are adding restrictions that were not stated and have no buisness being there.

Even the whole, mutant and non mutant thing. Who limited it to mutants only?

Marvel differentiates between mutants and regular folk (humans) anyway.

Homosapiens, Homosuperiors right?

Let me address the Cable point a little further. Cable is not only on earth but hes from earth in regular contiunity. He isnt from the distant future, he was sent there. Thats not the same thing.

Not that it actually matters to this thread.

If the question was, "As President, is George W. Bush the most powerful man on earth," would you then consider future presidents or presidents from other realities too? Didn't think so.

Your example is not comparable to what we are talking about. So if you would like to make one that is applicable, then by all means please do.

yea that example, doesnt work at all.

lol, makes it sound like theres proof of other dimensions in real life

marvel.com isnt good info on anything, bringing info sites into this would just make it a statistic ballgame and thats not what we're all going for

theres nothing in comic books that proves magneto is the most powerful on earth, which is why the quote says "ARGUABLY the most powerful on earth"

in new avengers matt murdock stated reed richards opinion on the sentry and he said "PROBABLY the most powerful on earth" and coming from richards, that means alot

clickclick & Wynndar >

Substituting the term "George W. Bush" for the term "Magneto" in the question, "Who is arguably the most powerful man on earth," produces a logically equivalent question, therefore it is not the analogy that is illogical, it is your reasoning.

Havoc470 >

The official Marvel website is not a good source for official information regarding Marvel characters?

If we are not to compare abilities and powers, how are we to determine who is the most powerful, hearsay and conjecture?

So Matt Murdock said that Reed Richards said that Sentry might be the most powerful man on earth?

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12. Molecule Man
13. Shaper of Worlds/Beyonder/Kubik

Why is Molecule Man ranked higher than the completely evolved cosmic cubes?