why do so many assume that these soldiers desert out of cowardice?
perhaps they just feel like they are being f'ed over by a reckless commander in chief? some of these people seem to have a very strong opinion on this war and that is why some refuse to fight it.
but who gives a shit what we think? i would love to hear the opinion in one that has seen action in this war, but unfortunately they are all stuck in that hellhole indefinately 🙁
Originally posted by PVS
they didnt desert the battlefield dude, they just didnt answer the call.
nobody's life was risked in such action.
Peoples lives were still at risk.. by not answering the call they are gonna be making units going on Patrols in Iraq possibly smaller and more vulnerable(since they might have had to back them up)... how can you say that doesnt put more peoples lives at risk?
I'm really pissed about this 😒
What the hell, I bet at least some of those now would-be Canadians were all against Canada and it's decision not to support the war and such, and probably at one time made comments such as "Whats so good about Canada? The beavers?" 🙄
And now that they have nowhere else to go they come here 🙄
Talk about being a hypocrite...
Re: Deserters
Originally posted by KharmaDog
Last night on CNN the Pentagon reported that so far 5000 American soldiers have deserted their ranks and headed to Canada.I found it funny that a reporter said that we have no problem coming to our country because we're "a bunch of peace-niks".
Not much time was devoted to the reasons that they were deserting, or that many of the deserters are long time servicemen and woman with previous combat experience. Seems like most of the time was spent on talking about how Canada is accepting them (and insinuating that we are somehow anti American).
Any thoughts?
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!
No, you're missing my point completely. Being told that you have to stay in some shithole being shot at six months longer than you were originally told is not what they signed up for, idiotin wartime there is no six months only, one have to adapt that the tour of duty might get extended, you get ordered to stay longer thats what military is about following orders. They sign up for military duty, not contracts that say you are going to Iraq for six months, they voluntarily joined the army then they must follow it until they are discharged from duty. Mercenaries have time contracts not ordinary soldiers.
So when they were told they was going to be there for six months they should have known that one cant predict the outcome of an armed conflict precisely, they who are in charge thought it would be a walk in the park, they were wrong thats why the situation for the soldiers is the way it is. Now they need to get into an overlapping rotation of soldiers so that some "veterans" of the conflict are left to teach the newcomers so that the army in Iraq aint a bunch of Rookies that have to go home just when they got the hang of it.
The Bush Administration fed the public lies in order to gain support for the war in Iraq originally; hence the explanation as to why people would enlist in the first place, high strung on the propaganda that serving your country is the 'patriotic' thing to do. Liberating the Iraqi people from a brutal regime, and yet the irony that it is the Iraqi people that were being oppressed by Hussein is the very blood that these soldiers are spilling. This is a war; the victims of such are innocent civilians. Giving them freedom while slaying their children? Such contradiction.
So now these soldiers simply question why they are taking lives and for who? For America's safety? No weapons are found and Iraq had been decimated by two wars in the last two decades; hardly a country worthy enough to threaten the almighty power of the US military(which gets more funding every year at almost $400 billion). For the Iraqi people? The are bodies piling up and the numbers of Iraqis increasing every day. It has become very clear that the Iraqis do not want US occupation. For sacrifice? While the ones who gave up their lives for the cause are given praise, only ephermeral, the wounded and the ones who come back with disabilities, return home to a country which is now 'reforming' Social Security. Hence, the poor served to battle a rich man's war, and now is forgotten and tossed away and left to die on the street, thanks to the diminishment of benefits from the very government they served to 'protect'. Something seems wrong.
Originally posted by KidRock
I didnt sign up to do it.. they did. And if I did join the army and was sent there I would deal with it not run to Canada.
How can you still not understand what I'm trying to say? They signed up expecting that they would be sent home after the given period of time, and then they weren't. Like I say, call them pussies all you want, but you can't possibly have any idea what the guys at home about to ship out are thinking when you haven't been in armed combat yourself. Which you haven't.
Well there are many things I don't rteally understand so far. Were they parts of the army? I mean you said they were veterans but if they are still in the army they mvery much knew this could happen. Then again were they called to go there for the first time or did they want them to stay longer (even though every soldier should know thsat this is possible) Well I really don'T understand all the circumstances but usually I think deserting is bad at least if you joined up.
Originally posted by Afro Cheese
Oh well if it's only gulf war veterans who are fleeing then that's a different story.
well, that would be some cases. im sure there are a variety of reasons depending on the soldier. from what i understand though, many of these are career soldiers for the most part, not just some privates gone a.w.o.l.
Well fighting a pointless war for a pointless cause. That's something not worth dying for imo. Yes they are sort of cowards however on behalf of Canada, welcome and enjoy our stay. Well canada acepted tens of thousands of draft dodgers in the 60's however they have to come here and seek poltical refuagee status. They have a 90% chance of being acepted here.
IMO iraq is lost as civil war will begin after the elections so the US is trying to get out as fast as possibile now. Odd thing is that Bush wants to get other nations but he can't even stabilize IRAQ forget Iran dumbya!!!