Rouge vs. Hulk

"Hulk's strength is not a factor once she's absorbed his mind. Rogue's going to increase in strength and endurance while Hulk's drops."

Here's your downfall. You obviously don't know how HULK'S power works. A) You are making the very very very big assumption that she can absorb his mind, which she can't. Well, Hulk retains, she just takes on the same mental aspects. She doesn't take his increasing strength, she just takes his gamma empowerment.

Hulk's power won't be dropping, it'll be increasing. All she's gonna do is piss him off.

"Whether Rogue is gamma powered or not is totally irrelevant, I don't know why you keep bringing this up. Rogue's taking hulk's abilities, that's what her power is."

Yeah, exactly. I know her power. With or without Hulk's gamma strength, she can't do anything to him. He doesn't lose power, she just gains it. That's the mistake you're making.

-AC

"She doesn't take his increasing strength, she just takes his gamma empowerment."

How does she not? Its an aspect of his powers. No i agree she doesnt absorb his whole mind not under normal circumstances although it has happened b4 Ms Marvel and all. But that was a freak accident so lets not go into that. At the end of the day wolverine has bested hulk and very nearly killed him without absorbing his powers without flight or strength. Just wading in and slicing him up. Rogue can beat the hulk it is possible. Iv ealready said how earlier on and thats that. You just need to have the maturity to accept that the hulk could lose. Just as i know rogue could very much lose as she probably would if she didnt get the chance to absorb any of his powers

"At the end of the day wolverine has bested hulk and very nearly killed him without absorbing his powers without flight or strength. Just wading in and slicing him up."

All that proves is that Wolverine landed an attack. Nothing more. Wolverine is no match for The Hulk, I've got multiple comics (including Wolverine Vs Hulk) that proves so.

"Rogue can beat the hulk it is possible. Iv ealready said how earlier on and thats that. You just need to have the maturity to accept that the hulk could lose. Just as i know rogue could very much lose as she probably would if she didnt get the chance to absorb any of his powers"

Don't talk of maturity when you're strolling around threads using playground insults.

She isn't gonna get a chance to absorb his powers so she gets thwacked in the face and killed. Or better yet, Hulk grabs her arms, tears them off and leaves her to bleed to death.

-AC

"A) You are making the very very very big assumption that she can absorb his mind, which she can't. "

You're the only one making any assumptions here. Any time she absorbs anyone, she absorbs their psyche as well. Now all of a sudden it's not going to work that way. Why, because you don't want it to?

"All that proves is that Wolverine landed an attack"

That also proves that Hulk can be hurt, by someone with only human strength at that. So you're still going to say that Rogue can do nothing to Hulk? Give it up.

"You're the only one making any assumptions here. Any time she absorbs anyone, she absorbs their psyche as well. Now all of a sudden it's not going to work that way. Why, because you don't want it to?"

It's not going to work that way because she doesn't do that. It's comic canon, she absorbs their traits and power. She doesn't absorb the source of their power. Stop dodging the point.

"That also proves that Hulk can be hurt, by someone with only human strength at that. So you're still going to say that Rogue can do nothing to Hulk? Give it up."

He wasn't hurt, Wolverine landed an attack. Nothing less. I can land an attack on Superman if he lets me, see where I'm going? No? That basically means that you are equating the launch of an attack with it being a success.

I stated before, Rogue can punch Hulk, kick Hulk. Whatever. The fact of the matter is, even with gamma power, she cannot muster enough power to come out of a fight with The Hulk, a winner. It's not rocket science.

Give what up? I've had this debate from the minute I entered.

-AC

"It's not going to work that way because she doesn't do that. It's comic canon, she absorbs their traits and power. She doesn't absorb the source of their power. Stop dodging the point."

No but she absorbs the ability to tap into that source of power

"He wasn't hurt, Wolverine landed an attack."

Incorrect wolverine constantly slashed at his neck faster than he could compensate for and the comic stated for the first time fear could be seen in the hulks eyes he was being killed. When i go bk home for a break from college i'll upload the page where this happened. What stopped Death(Wolverine) from killing him was the wolverine we all know and love started to break free of apocalypses conditioning he hesitated giving hulk the time to knock him across the horizon

"I've had this debate from the minute I entered."

After my contribution its clearly evident that thats far from the case.

-GS

"Incorrect wolverine constantly slashed at his neck faster than he could compensate for and the comic stated for the first time fear could be seen in the hulks eyes he was being killed. When i go bk home for a break from college i'll upload the page where this happened. What stopped Death(Wolverine) from killing him was the wolverine we all know and love started to break free of apocalypses conditioning he hesitated giving hulk the time to knock him across the horizon"

Don't confuse energy and strength compensation with healing ability boy. No need to upload the page, I own the comic. Don't assume I do not. Hulk still battered the shit out of him every time they fought and won. However this isn't Wolverine Vs Hulk. Go create a Wolverine Vs Hulk thread if you want to talk further, ok? Not here. I'm trying to respect the thread, despite it being dumb. Upload anything you want in a Wolverine Vs Hulk thread.

Do you possess the ability to stay on topic?

What does this all have to do with him fighting Rogue? A character who isn't as good as Wolverine?

"After my contribution its clearly evident that thats far from the case. -GS"

What contribution? Wolverine Vs Hulk?

Exactly. Shh. Thanks for copying me, your AC Fan Club membership pack is in the mail.

-AC

"It's not going to work that way because she doesn't do that. It's comic canon, she absorbs their traits and power. She doesn't absorb the source of their power. Stop dodging the point."

Of course she doesn't absorb the source of the power, she doesn't need to, I never said she did, try and pay attention.
She can still exhibit the powers of a person she absorbs whether they're physical or mental, that's the way it works. Absorbing the source of the power isn't necessary.

"Give what up? I've had this debate from the minute I entered."

Wow. You're not only misinformed but delusional as well.

The point of talking about wolverines battle with the hulk was to demonstrate the widely known fact that hulk is not invulnerable but highly durable. Its just that his healing factor is so effective it gives the appearance of nigh invulnerability which is NOT the case.

Do you possess the ability to stay on topic?
Explained and countered above.

I brought that in to say as has already been said that if a man who can press 800 pounds at the most can have the hulk on his death bed then a class 50 powerhouse with absorbing and flight powers and arguably better fighting skills than the standard brawling the hulk resorts to, very much has a chance. Thank you all.

"What contribution?"
Explained and swatted to the side above.

"Thanks for copying me"

Copying? I was inspired then i improved on

-GS

"Of course she doesn't absorb the source of the power, she doesn't need to, I never said she did, try and pay attention."

What does this prove? She's only absorbing gamma strength. That's all. I've been saying the same since the start.

"She can still exhibit the powers of a person she absorbs whether they're physical or mental, that's the way it works. Absorbing the source of the power isn't necessary. "

Yeah, in this case, gamma strength.

"The point of talking about wolverines battle with the hulk was to demonstrate the widely known fact that hulk is not invulnerable but highly durable. Its just that his healing factor is so effective it gives the appearance of nigh invulnerability which is NOT the case."

Yeah but we're not talking about physical wounds being able to heal. We're talking about how he compensates energy. Shhh.

"Do you possess the ability to stay on topic?
Explained and countered above"

Explained and completely misunderstood is better.

"I brought that in to say as has already been said that if a man who can press 800 pounds at the most can have the hulk on his death bed then a class 50 powerhouse with absorbing and flight powers and arguably better fighting skills than the standard brawling the hulk resorts to, very much has a chance. Thank you all."

He never had Hulk on his death bed, he cut him up a bit. You are obviously reading the comic, seeing him be cut and assuming he got killed or NEARLY killed. That didn't happen, at all.

When you can crush adamantium and lift mountain ranges you don't need the most impeccable combat skills. Considering he could kill Rogue in under 3 punches if he so wished, I don't think he needs to be a black belt to win this.

"Explained and swatted to the side above."

Replying doesn't equate to swatting. Just means you've replied. You're not disproving me or countering me at all.

"Copying? I was inspired then i improved on"

So I inspire you? Thanks. Improving? GS instead of AC? It's just letters homeboy. Get over it.

-AC

"She's only absorbing gamma strength. That's all. I've been saying the same since the start"

What doesnt seem to be able to penetrate your skull is that shes NOT just absorbing gamma strength thats NOT how her powers work. Got that? She absorbs his ability to tap into his power source. You still with me right? She absorbs his power to tap into an extradimensional source which gives him his additional mass and strength.

"He never had Hulk on his death bed, he cut him up a bit. You are obviously reading the comic, seeing him be cut and assuming he got killed or NEARLY killed. That didn't happen, at all."

You obviously DO NOT hav the comic if u did you would see that hulk is very much laid out and Wolverine is astride him hacking away at his neck leaving his blood to flow like the mississippi. The captions state that the hulk is near death and that for the first time fear can be seen on his face. Is that slow enough for u? Or do i hav to dismiss your points again.

Explained yet completely misunderstood. Yeah thats about right.

-GS

The captions in Infinity Gauntlet claim that Wolverine has single handedly saved the universe by stabbing Thanos!

Then he turns to rubber.

"What doesnt seem to be able to penetrate your skull is that shes NOT just absorbing gamma strength thats NOT how her powers work. Got that? She absorbs his ability to tap into his power source. You still with me right? She absorbs his power to tap into an extradimensional source which gives him his additional mass and strength."

Technically no skull penetration is needed, goes through ear canal. Secondly, all that matters is the strength she's absorbing. What's she gonna do? Use his thoughts to win? No. She's gonna use the most proficeint thing that she absorbs: strength.

He doesn't gain his ability to gain mass and strength from an extradimensional source, he gets it from his mind. His mind manifests PHYSICALLY in him. It's a thing that only he can get. It's how his memories and emotions affect him. Rogue having his thoughts aren't gonna do anything for her strength. If Rogue things "Bruce's dad died. Betty died", it won't cause her to flip out, just coz she absorbed his psyche. Why? Coz it doesn't MEAN anything to her.

She becomes Rogue with gamma strength and Hulk thoughts. She doesn't become the Hulk.

Get right.

-AC

"He doesn't gain his ability to gain mass and strength from an extradimensional source, he gets it from his mind. His mind manifests PHYSICALLY in him. It's a thing that only he can get. It's how his memories and emotions affect him"

Ok lets get this right """veteran"""' his additional mass and power come from an extradimensional source. FACT. Similar to Colossus' transformation (however he cant gain any further mass afterwards). However the amount drawn depends on the hulks emotional state. When the hulk gets angry yes his mind does open this aperture and draw on additional mass and strength but that is a physical thing. Rogue needs only to get angry herself to be able to achieve the same thing after having absorbed his powers. If it was purely mental thing inherent to just the hulk and not a physical thing then why does she hulk get stronger as she angers. Was she not given her powers thru a blood transformatiopn from her cousin who just happens to be .......RIGHT . My thoughts exactly. COME AGAIN

-GS

BLOOD TRANSFUSION SORRY

I created a thread for you 🙂.

"Rogue needs only to get angry herself to be able to achieve the same thing after having absorbed his powers. If it was purely mental thing inherent to just the hulk and not a physical thing then why does she hulk get stronger as she angers. Was she not given her powers thru a blood transformatiopn from her cousin who just happens to be .......RIGHT . My thoughts exactly. COME AGAIN"

She-Hulk doesn't get stronger as she gets angrier. Hence why she lifts weights.

-AC

"I created a thread for you "

Appreciated. I'll hav to take you out sometime.

"She-Hulk doesn't get stronger as she gets angrier. Hence why she lifts weights."

Sorry to do this once again it pains cos i actually like u i enjoy our debates but yes she hulk does get stronger as she gets angrier. Im an avid she hulk fan so if u check out her Savage She hulk comic which was her first run then you will find that to be the case. It wasnt to the same extent as Brucey but enough to put your "he gets it from his mind" theory out to pasture.

Once again its been a pleasure.

-GS

Good AC, create another thread, maybe you can win an argument somewhere else.
Because you keep repeating the same things over and over on this thread, and they're still incorrect.

"Appreciated. I'll hav to take you out sometime."

Come and tell that to everyone laughing at your uneducated self for saying Wolverine could put Hulk on his death bed.

"Sorry to do this once again it pains cos i actually like u i enjoy our debates but yes she hulk does get stronger as she gets angrier. Im an avid she hulk fan so if u check out her Savage She hulk comic which was her first run then you will find that to be the case. It wasnt to the same extent as Brucey but enough to put your "he gets it from his mind" theory out to pasture."

I own that comic also, why do you make the assumption that I post by guessing? She didn't increase in strength. She got angry and therefore she went nuts. She OVER APPLIED her strength, she didn't get stronger. If I walk to a bucket and kick it half heartedly, it wont go far. If I get so pissed and kick it real hard, it'll go far. I don't get stronger, just apply more strength.

"Good AC, create another thread, maybe you can win an argument somewhere else.
Because you keep repeating the same things over and over on this thread, and they're still incorrect."

Nothing else to say? Run outta gas?

I did it to respect this thread. Save it being turned into Wolverine Vs Hulk. You should be thanking me.

-AC

"She OVER APPLIED her strength, she didn't get stronger"

Like in the storm thread sheer speculation. The things she did after she got angry as opposed to before renders that statement a complete and utter JOKE!!

"I own that comic also"

See. So much in common we should be friends. You have a lot to learn id be happy to educate you.

As always a pleasure

-GS