Rouge vs. Hulk

"Like in the storm thread sheer speculation. The things she did after she got angry as opposed to before renders that statement a complete and utter JOKE!!"

No it's a fact. She didn't get stronger, she applied more strength. Her powers aren't the same as Hulk's. Abomination has gamma power, he doesn't increase with strength. All She-Hulk inherited was Hulk's gamma strength. Not his ability to get stronger. That's a fact, not speculation.

"See. So much in common we should be friends. You have a lot to learn id be happy to educate you.As always a pleasure"

Again, swerving off topic. I would love to do that but I have comics to learn from. I don't need to sit there while you show me the Top Ten Marvel Bios site.

-AC

"No it's a fact. She didn't get stronger, she applied more strength. Her powers aren't the same as Hulk's. Abomination has gamma power, he doesn't increase with strength. All She-Hulk inherited was Hulk's gamma strength. Not his ability to get stronger. That's a fact, not speculation"

Psssh. Where do i begin. Again as is the case with 99.99999999999% of your posts sheer unbridled speculation. Abonimation doesnt share genetic history with the hulk. Jen is not only his cousin but she received her powers from her cousin who just happens to be...........YEP YOU'VE GUESSED IT!!!!!

"I would love to do that but I have comics to learn from. I don't need to sit there while you show me the Top Ten Marvel Bios site"

What a shame. Your thoughts and theories are really quaint. Quite adorable actually.

Thank u 4 your time.

-GS

Abomination. Sorry im tired

"Psssh. Where do i begin. Again as is the case with 99.99999999999% of your posts sheer unbridled speculation. Abonimation doesnt share genetic history with the hulk. Jen is not only his cousin but she received her powers from her cousin who just happens to be...........YEP YOU'VE GUESSED IT!!!!!"

No it's not speculation, you can't keep saying that to save yourself kid, it doesn't work. I know where she got her powers. She got them from Bruce Banner....The Hulk. She didn't get The Hulk's powers, she got gamma powers. It's not mathematical science, all it takes it to read comics to know this.

It's off topic also, you've done this in EVERY THREAD. Why? Coz you can't debate on point, coz you don't know anything.

-AC

Not gonna enter this debate, wouldn't have entered this thread in fact if it wasn't for the fact that were up to 4 pages. First time i saw this thread i didn't even bother, i mean would you enter a thread that says " Thanos vs aunt May"?

K im pushing it, but the fact is the Hulk is in a class way above her head. He's in the big boys courtyard with Thor, Juggy, Silver Surfer...heh, Surfer couldn't beat the Hulk, He's just flat out too strong and resilient, he threw him into space. Rogue Tried her absorbing thing on Juggy once, she went nuts and he got dizzy for a few secs, how do you think she would fare vs Hulk?

Don't get me wrong, Rogue is strong, and she can fly, but she doesn't have his speed, strenght, stamina or healing factor...

Maybe vs She Hulk...

"No it's not speculation, you can't keep saying that to save yourself kid, it doesn't work. I know where she got her powers. She got them from Bruce Banner....The Hulk. She didn't get The Hulk's powers, she got gamma powers. It's not mathematical science, all it takes it to read comics to know this."

Oh dear what a mess u have made. If you re-read my posts dear boy then you will discover that i never once said that the she hulk got the hulks powers. I said her powers derived from the blood transfusion he gave her as you know(i hope) so she has most of his abilities to a lesser extent including his ability to increase his strength thru getting angry. The fact that she can do this thru getting blood from him shows that it is a physical thing. You wiv me son? Not just a mental thing inherent to the hulk. Therefore relating it bk to the original topic. It is very much an aspect of the hulks powers that rogue could absorb. Your schooloing is temporarily over. Time for recess.

Thank u much.

-GS

"Rogue Tried her absorbing thing on Juggy once, she went nuts and he got dizzy for a few secs, how do you think she would fare vs Hulk?"

. I think you'll find that event ocurred in the XMen cartoon. Its representation of characters powers personalities and fighting abilities is far from accurate.

"Oh dear what a mess u have made. If you re-read my posts dear boy then you will discover that i never once said that the she hulk got the hulks powers. I said her powers derived from the blood transfusion he gave her as you know(i hope)"

Then why continually push the idea that she gets stronger with emotion? She doesn't. That's what you were pushing, the idea that as she got his blood, she got that power.

"so she has most of his abilities to a lesser extent including his ability to increase his strength thru getting angry. The fact that she can do this thru getting blood from him shows that it is a physical thing."

The thing is, you confuse fact with opinion. She doesn't have that. SHE DOESN'T....HAVE THAT. That is a fact. It's not debateable. It's a fact. Storm doesn't have Jean's powers, why? Coz she just doesn't. She-Hulk is just a gamma powered female. That's it.

"It is very much an aspect of the hulks powers that rogue could absorb. Your schooloing is temporarily over. Time for recess."

No it's not. Stop resulting to petty inoffensive insults at the end of every post you make. They don't work.

-AC

"Then why continually push the idea that she gets stronger with emotion? She doesn't. That's what you were pushing, the idea that as she got his blood, she got that power"

Again reread your issues of Savage She hulk. Or if u lied about having them dont worry i have them all. Now we're friends id be happy to share.

"Stop resulting to petty inoffensive insults at the end of every post you make. They don't work"

I learned from the former best.

Praise the lord

-GS

Another post full of nothing relevant at all. Tsk tsk.

She doesn't get stronger with rage or emotion. She went mad, she didn't get stronger. If you punch glass, it might not break. If you get really pissed and hit it, it has more chance. Why? Coz you're applying more strength, not getting stronger.

Do you actually have anything to say relevant to the thread? Coz I'm pretty much proving that Rogue doesn't absorb his strength/emotion powers. You are just labelling it as speculation, it isn't. It's comic fact.

-AC

"Do you actually have anything to say relevant to the thread? Coz I'm pretty much proving that Rogue doesn't absorb his strength/emotion powers. You are just labelling it as speculation, it isn't. It's comic fact."

You haven't proven anything of the sort. It's been seen time after time that Rogue's been able to absorb all sorts of other powers in addition to strength. Mental powers, healing powers, magical powers, weather controlling powers, godly powers, the list goes on. You have absolutely nothing to base your claim on.

"You have absolutely nothing to base your claim on."

Other than someone else has actually taken his very blood, gamma power (the same one Rogue would absorb), and not inherited the ability to grow stronger?

I'd say that's a base. A good one. Feel free to try again.

-AC

"She doesn't get stronger with rage or emotion"

Psssh. Says you. Who agrees with me? David Anthony Kraft and Stan Lee the original writers of Savage She hulk and the creators of the character itself. Check it up on the net. I dare ya. She did get stronger as she angered but it increased her strength to a limited degree. Its a physical thing baby!!!! Such a thing Rogue would definitely make use of.

"Rogue doesn't absorb his strength/emotion powers"

She absorbs his strength, but emotion powers? AC what r u waffling about. You've been reading the hulk supposedly for 15 years. Well i think u need to go bk and start again

Merci

-GS

"Psssh. Says you. Who agrees with me? David Anthony Kraft and Stan Lee the original writers of Savage She hulk and the creators of the character itself. Check it up on the net. I dare ya. She did get stronger as she angered but it increased her strength to a limited degree. Its a physical thing baby!!!! Such a thing Rogue would definitely make use of."

She didn't get stronger, again you are doing what you do best. Over thinking.

She has always had the POTENTIAL to tap into more strength. That's because she never USED all of her strength. Like when Ice-Man went away and came back with more powers. They were already there, he just found em.

The adrenaline and unbridled fury she gained as Savage She-Hulk allowed her to access her LIMIT. I can run fast, if I'm being chase I run faster. If I keep running I'll eventually not be able to go any faster. Savage She-Hulk was her peak and she can't go beyond it, why? Because she doesn't have that power. How do I know? Coz I read her comics, I read Hulk comics. It's all there and once again.

Don't confuse advanced application of strength or reaching a limit, with having no limit.

"She absorbs his strength, but emotion powers? AC what r u waffling about. You've been reading the hulk supposedly for 15 years. Well i think u need to go bk and start again"

Note the "/". Strength/Emotion. / doesn't mean AND.

Tsk.

(BTW, You said you'd come and take me out in the Wolverine thread. I'm waiting.)

-AC

"Other than someone else has actually taken his very blood, gamma power (the same one Rogue would absorb), and not inherited the ability to grow stronger?"

Since when does she-hulk have Rogue's power to absorb the abilities of others. We're talking about Rogue here not she-hulk. Rogue doesn't need a blood transfusion to take his powers, she'll take them the same way she takes everyone else's. You're just grasping at straws here AC, admit defeat.

"Since when does she-hulk have Rogue's power to absorb the abilities of others. We're talking about Rogue here not she-hulk. Rogue doesn't need a blood transfusion to take his powers, she'll take them the same way she takes everyone else's."

When did this get disputed? I said, lets go by your theory. She touches him. She absorbs his psyche and gamma power. So what?

I've proven that if you aren't Bruce Banner, you don't get the Strength/Emotion increase power. Neither would she.

-AC

"I've proven that if you aren't Bruce Banner, you don't get the Strength/Emotion increase power. Neither would she."

What you've proven is that you will ignore everything that's happened in the comics concerning Rogue's power in order to try and bolster your argument.

"What you've proven is that you will ignore everything that's happened in the comics concerning Rogue's power in order to try and bolster your argument."

No I haven't. Rogue absorbs his gamma strength, correct? His psyche also, correct?

The thoughts and memories have no effect coz they don't mean anything to her. There's no emotional connection. She becomes Rogue + Gamma and 8 mental alter egos. She doesn't become Bruce Banner. Therefore, she doesn't get his strength/emotion combo.

-AC

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Incorrect wolverine constantly slashed at his neck faster than he could compensate for and the comic stated for the first time fear could be seen in the hulks eyes he was being killed. When i go bk home for a break from college i'll upload the page where this happened. What stopped Death(Wolverine) from killing him was the wolverine we all know and love started to break free of apocalypses conditioning he hesitated giving hulk the time to knock him across the horizon

That doesn't count, and you know it. Wolverine wasn't exactly Wolverine. He was Death, one of the four horsemen. Just like when Hulk was one of the horsemen and turned into War Hulk, who channeled two universes worth of engery through his body.

An upgraded Wolverine inflicting some damage on Hulk doesn't prove your point at all, it actaully hurts it. Regular Wolverine couldn't do it, he needed to be upgraded by Apoc.

I'd like to add that this whole debate is being based on the fact that she could even touch Hulk to steal his powers, which she really can't. Hulk would swat her out of the air like a retarded bird.

Whether you write for a comic or a cartoon the writters is given and basic spreadsheet of each character to go by. Besides it has to be aproved by Marvel. What happens next is at the writter's discretion, whether she can absorb his power/emotion or not, its his take. Writer one could go decide Rogue doesn't even have the chance to get close to him and gets pummeled to the ground before she can absorb anything while writer #2 says she throws something at the Hulk to divert his attention for a second giving her time to skeak behind him and grabs him from behind, giving her time to absorb some of his power. What happens then? She can go mad, or end up with one of Hulk's multiple personalities...or faint...or get as strong as he his for awhile...really it depends on who's writting.

Her only chance to win is with her power absorbtion and thats if things go her way, but ok, ill give you the benefit of the doubt.

Hulk wins 49 out of 50 battles.