Black Bolt Vs. Magneto

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Well, Black Bolt has enough control of electrons to turn a boulder into anti-matter with ease. He can cause every single atom in someone's body to collide with the others at the same time (apparently, he threatened Madrox with this). He messed with Adam Warlock's karmic blasts, with Nova's gravimetric force. He can cause water in the air to solidify, or reduce the breathing air in the surrounding atmosphere.

Mags is good, but Black Bolt's no slouch. It would be hard to mess with his control over his powers.

I never said Black Bolt is a slouch. His power and control is impressive. More impressive than almost anyone. Magneto is just a few people who can directly affect him and the use of his powers. Hence why this is such a good fight. Black Bolt might have more destructive power, but finesse beats someone with a bigger boom, many times in comics.

Black Bolt's control is impressive, but Magneto's control is superior.

I know all of what Black Bolt has done.

Magneto isn't controlling energies Black Bolt unleashes. He simply doesn't have enough power to affect them.
Since one needs to apply sufficient force to control anything externally, and Magneto's limit is Earth magnitosphere (as evidenced by Magneto War). BB's output is much higher then that.

The destructive force unleashed, is a result of that Electron/Particle interaction. Magneto has shown the ability to control it. He can simply prevent the process to from occuring in the first place.

Either way, the charged energy created is something that Magneto manipulates all the time. He has complete control over the Electromagnetic Spectrum. If anything, it could amp Magneto.

Magneto doesn't lack the power and Magneto does not need to equal the destructive force to prevent or direct it in a different fashion.

I'm not a scientist, so if anyone knows better, or finds a mistake, please feel free, to correct me or explain it better.

He can simply prevent the process to from occuring in the first place.

If anything, it could amp Magneto.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

I put Thanos over Blackbolt coz he's an immortal and cannot be killed.

-AC

I don't know about this, Mags was able to cloak himself from BB's acute senses but BB has shown more raw power IMO.

I'll have to see current Magneto who is apparently more powerful then ever do something really impressive to say that he can beat Blackbolt.

Mags in the old days could build complicated machines(Super Cloning Machines) out of junk with a thought...if he can hold out enough to assemble this one then he'd have a chance:

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I'd give it to Blackbolt though.

Originally posted by Survivor19
I believe you do realise that this assumption is pure speculation on your part.
At max, I give Mags ability to stop the nerve impulses in BB's brain, therefore preventing him from initiating the process.
The process itself is, to us comic book readers unknown (Reed and Maximus obviously know it) so it's incorrect to say that Mags can stop it.

It's just logical reasoning. Black Bolt's voice occurs, by Electron/Particle interaction. It's the spark that produces the destructive force known as his Quasi-Sonic scream. The charged energy produced.

Magneto has control over all of this. It's all just part of the EM that he controls.

Magneto has shown that he can control Electron interaction, and he controls charged energy. He does it frequently. Magneto would have better control over his voice than Black Bolt himself.

The process required to do so is not that different, from what Magneto has done in the past.

The process is explained clearly. It's created by Electron/Particle interaction.

Originally posted by Survivor19
If anything, it will overload and fry him.
Eric is no Watcher. He won't fare better.

I already explained this.

Doom tried to absorb the destructive force as it is. He tried to absorb the raw power generated. Magneto controls the charged energy, and can manipulate it and use it for himself.

That's it. I see it now.

You have no clue whatsoever about what you are talking about.

Until you learn the difference between charge and energy, and 4 main types of interaction, it's useless for us to speak.

Charged energy, my ass.... things they come up with...

Sorry, I meant, EM energy.

I said I'm no physicist.

My mistake doesn't change the fact, that the magnetic field that electrons produce, and the EM energy charged particles emit is under Magneto's control.

I don't think Magneto has enough power to stop Blackbolt. He is just that good. Blackbolt has matter manipulation feats. Going by that, he has better control than Magneto. To my knowledge, the only feat even close to what Blackbolt has done was Magneto making a comb out of thin air. One of Blackbolts feats is actually transmuting somebody into another substance, I believe. Also, Blackbolt has made several miniature black holes with ease, while Magneto only made one wormhole, which may or may not be cannon. He even got a cosmic entity to recognize his power.

is that scan im his respect thread, i always loved that scene

Originally posted by ashroro
I don't think Magneto has enough power to stop Blackbolt. He is just that good. Blackbolt has matter manipulation feats. Going by that, he has better control than Magneto. To my knowledge, the only feat even close to what Blackbolt has done was Magneto making a comb out of thin air. One of Blackbolts feats is actually transmuting somebody into another substance, I believe. Also, Blackbolt has made several miniature black holes with ease, while Magneto only made one wormhole, which may or may not be cannon. He even got a cosmic entity to recognize his power.

He stopped several miniature black holes, and Magneto has made worm holes on different occasions without a problem and they are cannon.

Magneto also has matter manipulation feats.

The fact that Black Bolt has such bad control over his voice shows that Magneto would have better control over his Electron/Particle interaction. Someone with Magneto's control, could completely prevent that, and allow Black Bolt to speak freely. It might be some side affect that doesn't allow him to do so, who knows. It makes Black Bolt seem incredibly badass, but it puts into question how much control he has, and Magneto has a broader range.

Like I said earlier though, Black Bolt has greater control than Magneto in a certain aspect which is obvious, but overall, if they were to match each other in control, Magneto with his natural domination of the Electromagnetic Spectrum, does have better control.

Magneto has been compared to Cosmic Entities in the past.

His voice isn't what's going to win this for him.

Black Bolt doesn't need his voice to win this though. He can win the majority without using voice. His power set is incredibly versatile.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I never said Black Bolt is a slouch. His power and control is impressive. More impressive than almost anyone. Magneto is just a few people who can directly affect him and the use of his powers. Hence why this is such a good fight. Black Bolt might have more destructive power, but finesse beats someone with a bigger boom, many times in comics.

Black Bolt's control is impressive, but Magneto's control is superior.

I know all of what Black Bolt has done.

You mean what has Magneto shown that would suggest he can negate his scream etc.?

Black Bolt's scream, is Electron/Particle interruption. With his control over the Electromagnetic Spectrum, Magneto has shown on different occasions that show he can control this.

Someone like Magneto could simply negate the process from ever happening.

Black Bolt has shown that he is incredibly powerful, but he has shown his control is limited, and not as broad as Magneto's.

Based on how he creates his Force Field, such a task should be simple enouhg for Magneto.

Plus a lot of Black Bolt's, power comes from Electrons, which with the Magnetic Field that they release, is part of the Electromagnetic Field. Based on this, and what Magneto can do, and has done. Magneto can also directly interfere with his power set.

Again, one doesn't have to be more powerful to win, simply have enough control, and power to exploit the cracks in ones armor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You mean what has Magneto shown that would suggest he can negate his scream etc.?

Black Bolt's scream, is Electron/Particle interruption. With his control over the Electromagnetic Spectrum, Magneto has shown he has direct control over this interactions on multiple occasion.

Someone like Magneto could simply negate the process from ever happening.

Based on how he creates his Force Field, such a task should be simple for Magneto.

Magneto's never dealt with these reactions.

He has dealt with interactions between particles, but that's not relevant, really.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Again, one doesn't have to be more powerful to win, simply have enough control, and power to exploit the cracks in ones armor.

Originally posted by Original Smurph
Black Bolt's voice controls supposedly unknown particles in an interaction with electrons, and the process happens pretty much instantaneously.

Magneto's never dealt with these reactions.

He has dealt with interactions between particles, but that's not relevant, really.

Black Bolt's voice is the direct cause of Electron/Particle interaction. The said Particle is apparently unknown, but the process still remains.

Magneto has shown on different occasions, he has control over such interactions. His Force Field and how he creates is a testament.

Magneto also has complete control over the Electromagnetic Spectrum, which Magnetic Fields fall under, which are produced when Electrons produce, when they move(Did I get the last part right?).

Electron's participate in Electromagnetic interactions all the time.
Isn't Electron energy that make metal manipulation possible in the first place?

Originally posted by Original Smurph
I'm aware of this. Still, you haven't shown any cracks to be exploited.

Maybe you aren't getting it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Black Bolt's voice is the direct cause of Electron/Particle interaction. The said Particle is apparently unknown, but the process still remains.

To say that Magneto could continuously prevent every use of the voice is supposition at best.

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