Originally posted by Original Smurph
Yes. It's a process that Magneto has no familiarity with. We have no idea how exactly the electrons react with the particles, so Magneto has no idea what to prevent. He wouldn't even know that Black Bolt's voice controls electrons and unknown particles.To say that Magneto could continuously prevent every use of the voice is supposition at best.
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Anyways.....
We know it's Electron/Particle interaction. Unless it works with entirely new rules, which was never stated we assume it follows the same Electron/Particle interaction.
Even then, let's assume entirely new rules govern the unknown particles, nothing unknown about the Electrons.
The Electrons are the second piece of the puzzle. Black Bolt's voice is created through the interaction of two Parts, one being Electrons, and one being the unknown Particles.
Magneto can still take Electron's out of play, and prevent the process. The Magnetic Fields Electron's create etc. is part of the Electromagnetic Spectrum that falls under Magneto's control etc.
It's clear that if you remove one piece from the equation, and the Quasi-Sonic scream won't happen. Magneto is capable of this.
That's assuming, new rules are in play. Still, it's Electron/Particle interaction, and Magneto has better control in that area than Black Bolt. It's just a spark that lights a huge fire. For someone like Magneto preventing such an interaction would be simple.
His Force Field, is all the prove we need of Magneto's capabilities with Electron's etc.
With how Magneto can perceive, and sense the world, he should be aware of the process because it's Electron/Particle interaction. Also the X-men who keep extensive files on friends and foe. Do they not?
Black Bolt's voice does not control Electron/Particle interaction. It's simply that Black Bolt produces an unknown particle, that reacts with Electrons such as ambient Electrons (i.e Electron/Particle interaction.) which results in what is known as his Quasi-Sonic scream.
Originally posted by Original Smurph
Magneto can control electrons, sure, but he has no idea how to prevent unknown particles from reacting with them.
Just because they are unknown particles, does not mean they are governed by entirely new laws of physics or anything.
It's still Electron/Particle interaction. Magneto based on his multiple showings has shown that he can control such actions.
Originally posted by Survivor19
Especially when teir interaction has no connection to EM whatsoever.'Electrons' doesn't autimatycally means electromagnetism. It's high school...
Electrons does not automatically mean Electromagnetism, but as Magneto has shown he can control them, also the Magnetic Fields Electrons create, are a part of the Electromagnetic field Magneto controls.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAnd yet, these particles have been thus far barely detectable, with nigh-instantaneous motion, emerging from one unknown source and causing destruction in their wake.
Just because they are unknown particles, does not mean they are governed by entirely new laws of physics or anything.
It would appear that they are actually governed by their own physics.
Black Bolt produces this unknown particles. They react with Electrons such as ambient Electrons, when he speaks to create the Quasi-Sonic scream. They might be unknown but it still Electron/Particle interruption unless they create an entirely way of interacting.
Nothing unknown of the source, and nothing to suggest they are governed by their own laws.
Either way, you take one piece out of the formula, and his Quasi-Sonic scream cannot be produced.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThe skrulls couldn't understand where how he could produce such power. Seems that the source is probably unknown.
Nothing unknown of the source, and nothing to suggest they are governed by their own laws.
And, seeing as no tech can identify or replicate it and it's instant reaction with everything is to blow it up, it is probably governed by its own laws. As I've stated.
As I recalled, the Skrulls were able to replicate his powers. Not on a scale such his, but they were able to replicate it.
Reed, Maximus etc. were able to create technology that relates to it, such as amping his Quasi-Sonic scream.
It's not the particle itself, but the result of what happens when that Particle and Electrons interact. That reaction is the destructive force known as the Quasi-Sonic scream.
It's unknown, it's obviously unusual but as I recall, there is nothing that says it is governed by it's own laws.
The fact is, it's supposition and guessing to say that Magneto could affect the reaction when we don't know the laws its governed by. They're still discovering things today in the modern world that are strange about electron reactions and similar particles- things that we have no ability to explain or replicate. It's complete hypothesis to say that just because Magneto can affect electrons in one way, he can affect every possible characteristic of an electron instantaneously at every point close to him in order to stop an impossible, unexplainable reaction.
Magneto has shown that he can affect Electrons, in different ways such as reactions on different occasions.
There is nothing to say new laws govern it. Based on that, it's Electron/Particle interaction which Magneto can affect.
If they discover something that says, Magneto cannot affect interactions then that is something you can use, but Magneto can. Also Magneto does not always follow, the rules of physics himself. He can manipulate the Iron in you're blood for one.
Magneto can affect Electrons in multiple different ways. He has shown that he can affect, and use them for multiple purposes. His control is just that great. He has shown that he can affect interactions etc.
He doesn't have to allow the reaction to occur and prevent it, he can simply prevent the electrons with interacting with the unknown particles from the start. He doesn't have to affect the unknown particles.
Magneto with his complete control over the Electromagnetic Spectrum, is capable of preventing ambient Electrons with interacting with the particles. He has control over the Magnetic Fields, that allow Electrons to move etc. such as interact (Still not sure if I got the last part right.).
It's not complete hypotheses. It's a legitimate possibility, based on what Magneto has shown, and what he can do.
It's Electron/Particle interaction. It follows those rules until said otherwise. The interaction is the same, it's just that the result is different, hence why it's an unknown particle.
Whatever. I've already explained it the best I can.
Blackbolt does not have to only rely on his voice, he has matter manipulation and has on panel cannon proof of making black holes, which again, magneto's wormhole feat may or may not be cannon. He can also amp his strength and other stats also, which is proven in his fights with the hulk and Gladiator. He also has various other abilities also that he can employ against Magneto. I still give Blackbolt the win.
He has shown that he can affect interactions etc.
You won't be able to do that. Becausse he never did it. Because he can't. Because particles interaction aren't governed by electromagnetic forces. At all.
Reed some physics book.
Originally posted by Survivor19
You won't be able to do that. Becausse he never did it. Because he can't. Because particles interaction aren't governed by electromagnetic forces. At all.Reed some physics book.
Positive about that? Because anything with electrons are technically fair game for Magneto.
Originally posted by Survivor19
Please, give an example, Where Mags controlled intractions between particles.You won't be able to do that. Becausse he never did it. Because he can't. Because particles interaction aren't governed by electromagnetic forces. At all.
Reed some physics book.
Dude, Electrons are fair game to Magneto. He manipulates them all the time. One could say he does so because the Magnetic Field they create are part of the Electromagnetic Field which he controls.
His Force Field removes Electrons from objects to create a charge, then mimics the charge to repel the object. That's what was described as I recall about his Force Field...
Particles also emit EM energy which Magneto controls.
As i thought, you didn't brought up Magneto affecting particle interactions, aka strong and weak interactions.
That is correct.
Magneto doesn't 'controls electrons', he control electromagnetic fields, that affect electrons.
More presisely, he generates magnetic fields, not just 'controls' them (that are different mutant powers), that's why all that 'ha, i'm Doom and i reversed polarity!' things worked on him.
Particles also emit EM energy which Magneto controls
What have I been saying, for the last few pages?
I said, Electrons generates Magnetic Fields, that Magneto can control. When did I say, that Magneto just controls Electrons?
He manipulates them to numerous purposes.
I never said, that the unknown Particles, that Black Bolt generates emit EM energy.
As I recall, it was never stated they follow different rules.
Can you prove they don't?
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