Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I'd like to see how that takes place. Just seeing how it could physically take place would be something. The size difference would be akin to an ant fighting the crowd at the super bowl.
Size doesn't matter in terms of the SW universe. Sidious in the DE comics (notice single entity) devastated an entire fleet with a force storm. Nihilus before KotoR 2 (notice single entity) drained the lifeforce from an entire planet killing all inhabitants. In "Jedi vs Sith" a single "thought bomb" annihilated the life on an entire planet. And all this stuff wasn't even used by the Ancient Sith Lords who are the greatest force users in the SW universe, draining planets with their force powered devices (Marka Ragnos sceptre) or destroying them.
They'd probably just fly to the other side of the Death Star. And how fast have the ancient sith thrown stars? What happened to these ancient sith anyway?
"The other side of the Death Star" ? You know the Empire has tree of them, right ? So I wonder how they would "fly to the other side". And Sadow had a ship with a weapon installed that could detonate stars or simply rip the core of them off to throw them arround. The Yuuzhan Vong threw entire moons at planets.
Again, you're comparing ships to Earth ships that have only been in development for about 200 years.
Are there any ships in the ST universe that are "in development" for 25,000 years ? The point is that even the smallest SW vessels are able to defeat the largest battleships we have seen in the ST universe in seconds. And since that "Earth ships" are able to contend with nearly everything in the ST universe (Klingon ships, Romulan ships and so on) I don't see the SW ships going down against them...
But it's already shown that starfleet uniforms are as durable as at least storm trooper armor as seen when the ewoks rocked the troopers with their wooden arrows and massive heart. I jest.
Ridiculous statement. The ST vs SW site takes a little error displayed in ROTJ (wow...armor made of plastic looks like armor made of plastic when - in the SW universe - it's craftet out of metal) and therefore ST uniforms = or > ST armor ? And you failed to notice that this storm trooper armor is far away from the most powerful stuff in the SW universe...which would be:
- exoskeletons
- Mandalorian armor
- cortosis armor (able to withstand lightsaber hits)
- Yuuzhan Vong armor (able to withstand lightsaber hits)
And even IF you were right - Stormtroopers outnumber federation troops by what ? 1 to 1 million ?
Then some other form of electronic attack. Everything has its weaknesses.
They have EMP and ion weapons in the SW universe to disable droids. As it seems the droids weren't vunerable to this kind of attacks otherwise they would have been destroyed by it, right ?
No, that's not what I'm saying. Maybe that's why you're having such a hard time understanding this. I'm saying Star Trek has a wider VARIETY of technology and that IS an advantage.
You are simply assuming that ST has a wider variety of technology.
We have seen entities in the SW universe travelling through dimensions (Waru in "Chrystal Star"😉, we have seen biological engineering (the "Vagabound" in the Black Fleet trilogy, the Yuuzhan Vong in the NJO series), creation of artificial black holes (used as weapons), hyperspace travel (which is beyond the Warp drive), all kinds of superweapons (sheer power, artificial chain reaction, alchemic devices imbued with the force).
If it was that easy, that's exactly what Voyager would of done to it. The reason it was so hard to destroy is weapons passed right through it as if it wasn't there.
The point is that SW has weapons and abilities that affect all dimensions when used in one dimension only (black holes, force storms). So that relative low amount of Krenim ships would still get destroyed rather easily.
Yes, that's typically how it works.
No. It is not. That's like saying an armor that can absorb all kinds of mechanical energy will be destroyed by a bullet because it's engineer doesn't know bullets.
I'd like a reference for that. And 800 planets is nothing to scoff at. It's enough resources that they could be a couple weapon ships like Annorax's or go even go on a bigger scale.
The Galactic Republic alone has millions of member systems and not every planet in the SW universe belongs to the Republic (mentioned in TPM where Tatooine doesn't belong to it, KotoR where the outer rim was attacked for 20 years by the Mandalorians before the Republic and Revan got involved).
Put those 900k ships back in time a few million years and the tables turn.
This again is useless. What would put those ships back in time a few million years do ? They would have nothing to attack. This is not "IF the Krenim travel back in time and start destroying the SW universe than the ST universe will win". Because even if all Krenim travel back in time they won't be able to destroy the entire SW universe before the fight happens...
Voyager knew how to modify their shields to resist the attacks. All it really takes is the one empire. You get 2 or 3 time ships that can sustain their crew indefinitely and all you have to do is cruise around the past destroying planets for a few hundred years.
Have they shown the ability to destroy planets ? It's boring to argue like that...on the same level I could say that Waru could travel through space and time taking Nihilus (or unlimited amounts of ships, troops, force users) with him and impact on the ST universe to drain it empty and destroy it before the Krenim have evolved their Empire and still SW wins.
What I don't get is if one ship, or a small group of ships, can go back in time and erase all life supporting planets, why isn't that a win?
Because in turn the SW universe can do just the same to the ST universe even on a greater scale / more effective. So there is no point in arguing that. And even if the Krenim would be able to destroy the SW universe the YV are coming from a different Galaxy and would still pwn the entire ST universe. It always ends with ST getting owned badly...