Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I think you've taken the analogy into a completely different direction than what I was talking about.
You were basically talking about nothing if I recall it correct. The point was you disliked the idea that a fleet would attack one person or vice versa. And see...that's normal in the SW universe since it's much more focused on individuals or individual actions compared to the ST universe.
It's not the same. To build an army with an army building machine in 3 decades or a million ships with an infinite ship building machine isn't the same as going from pre-spaceflight to having ships that transcend time and space. The space part was only scratched at though so I shant mess with it.
They developed their ships further from Venator Class to Imperial Class. In 20 years they trippled the fire power. Another few years later they had managed to construct giant ships (Super Star-Destroyers) and they developed technology able to destroy star systems / planets from the size of a space station (Death Star) to the size of a small ship (Sun Crusher) in about 15 years.
Radio signals? Radio signals bounce off atmospheres.
I wonder how the NASA manages to communicate with their people / robots and so on in outer space if anything "bounces off atmospheres".
Hmm... I'm not sure, I may be thinking of ships that are powered by singularities.
🙄
Judging from the star destroyers in the movies, that could barely hit the millennium falcon right in front of it, hitting something at that distance that isn't sitting still would be near impossible.
You should maybe watch the film instead of getting information from a ST biased site. In ANH the Stardestroyer that follows the Millenium Falcon hits the ships quite often. In the opening sequence that little Corellian Corvette also gets hit quite often.
Most torpedoes in the Star Trek universe are guided.
What range do they have ? How fast are they ? Can they skip through objects that are in their way...
It sounds like black holes would do as much harm as good. Logically there would be space in between them to easily fly through or they would just constantly clump together into one giant hole. And you know what? I really don't know. Is there anything of the Yuuzhan Vong that isn't some kind of flintstones-esqe creature?
Logically there is the "point of no return" meaning that once an ship, object or whatever goes beyond that point it's sucked in by the black hole so logically there doesn't have to be "space" between the area that is affected by different black holes.
I forgot exactly why they calibrated their shields. I do remember the Krenim ships that they encountered began changing in front of them from crappy scooty puffs to giant warships to completely disappearing. The modified shielding screwed with the changes Annorax was making with his time ship and thus he had to destroy Voyager simply for being there.It's really kind of confusing. I imagine it works similar to Nightcrawler's teleportation from the X-Men comics in that he always moves in a straight line but slips in and out of another dimension.
May I remind you that the point was that the Krenim enter a different dimension / timeline using "time travel" so they won't impact in the same dimension / timeline that they left...
Nightcrawler basically enters another dimension and "reappears" in the current dimension which is different from what the Krenim do...
Fair enough, but unless "seeded" or specifically set up, it's hard to believe that there would be multiple planets that would follow the same evolutionary chain to bring the same humans about and have some catastrophic event occur that eliminates reptiles from being the dominate species on the planet.
Oh...I use your own words against you: "It doesn't matter if it appears to make sense - it happened in the SW universe." And may I remind you that you have very humanoid species in the ST universe too (Vulcans).
I don't see "Sith" under the list of species at the starwars site. Unless... did it get retconned so sith isn't the "one master, one apprentice" folk?
It's hilarious how much you don't know about you opposition. The Sith were an ancient species (including people like Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh) and the "one master, one apprentice folk" later used the name of the species for their order since they followed the ways in the force (Dark Side) that were "invented" by the ancient Sith.
When they're in the ship, they never age, regardless of whether the ship itself is in or out of our reality. And it would only take one shot from the weapons ship to wipe a planet. If the borg got a hold of that for a forced krenim/borg collaboration, that's much more dangerous in combination with transwarp and mindless efficiency.
I'd like to see proof for the first statement since it's absolutely senseless if the won't age if they enter reality (meaning they will get exposed to time).
And transwarp technology doesn't work outside the ST universe...
I'm beginning to think what I've known as "Sith" aren't Sith at all thanks to some cooky retcon.
See above...
Expand himself? Does he just inflate like a balloon?
Exactly.
I went into the incorporeal telepaths a bit, then we got on a tangent about transporters, and my main stance has been the development of temporal science.
And all of that didn't save ST from losing...
You don't understand. Some species only exist in subspace or wormholes. Your self-enforced condition was to destroy everything of the other universe. Subspace can be possibly translate into hyperspace if need be, since they're both different versions of the same thing but work slightly differently, but do they know how to operate wormholes in Star Wars? There's also things like Nagilum, possibly the only member of his species, that exist outside our reality somewhat like we exist outside a paramecium's reality.
My "self-enforced" condition that ALL of ST challenges ALL of SW. So you have a space battle, a ground battle and have everything in both universes participate in it. It's not "SW invades the ST universe and tries to destroy everything" and so it doesn't matter in what subspace, wormhole or alternate dimension those things are living. Either they are on the battlefield or they are not. And if they aren't they don't matter.
Dimensions like "this is the cowboy dimension" or dimensions like time and space?
Dimensions like space and time...
Was I not supposed to use advantageous routes? Apparently Starfleet was capable of time travel even back in Kirk's time. It's not that rare in the Star Trek universe. I really only expected it to go as far as "But that's lame" - "Haha, yeah" and then the thread would disappear for another 6-8 months.
Apparently no one in the ST universe is capable of controlled time travel since it happens "by accident" only and the Krenim simply switch to alternate timelines. Or have we seen some willfull time manipulation in the ST universe up to now ?
Well, that'd just leave all life tied to the force dead. The Star Wars universe commits seppuku?
No. That would kill everything in the SW Galaxy including the "Krenim and Borg" invading it to destroy it 5 Trillion years in the past. And still SW wins...ahahaha...
This is trite.
Originally posted by Borbarad
You were basically talking about nothing if I recall it correct. The point was you disliked the idea that a fleet would attack one person or vice versa.
You should maybe watch the film instead of getting information from a ST biased site. In ANH the Stardestroyer that follows the Millenium Falcon hits the ships quite often. In the opening sequence that little Corellian Corvette also gets hit quite often.
The "Star Trek biased site" I got it from was the movie itself. They chase it for a while and yeah, they damage it but for a battleship, it didn't do much.
Logically there is the "point of no return" meaning that once an ship, object or whatever goes beyond that point it's sucked in by the black hole so logically there doesn't have to be "space" between the area that is affected by different black holes.
The precision would have to be incredible for the black holes to just sit out of range of each others pull without their being space in between for ships to fly through. I don't claim to be a black hole specialist, but if they are far enough apart that there's no gravity pulling them towards each other, then there is enough space in between them for ships to pass with little or no gravitational effects.
May I remind you that the point was that the Krenim enter a different dimension / timeline using "time travel" so they won't impact in the same dimension / timeline that they left...
For the last time, the alternate timeline they make is superimposed over the "real" timeline. That's the whole reason why Voyager's temporal shielding affected the time ship and why they had to do battle. They witnessed Krenim ships transform in front of them due to temporal changes.
Nightcrawler basically enters another dimension and "reappears" in the current dimension which is different from what the Krenim do...
That was in relation to the torpedoes. Similar but indeed different.
Oh...I use your own words against you: "It doesn't matter if it appears to make sense - it happened in the SW universe."
I know, it's just odds beyond odds. Humans must be the luckiest things in the galaxy.
And may I remind you that you have very humanoid species in the ST universe too (Vulcans).
They have very different physiology though. Heck, even Romulans are way different than Vulcans internally and they're two leaves off the same branch.
It's hilarious how much you don't know about you opposition. The Sith were an ancient species (including people like Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh) and the "one master, one apprentice folk" later used the name of the species for their order since they followed the ways in the force (Dark Side) that were "invented" by the ancient Sith.
That's such a trivial mistake though.
I'd like to see proof for the first statement since it's absolutely senseless if the won't age if they enter reality (meaning they will get exposed to time).
The second paragraph on the memory alpha site for the krenim temporal weapon ship reads "the crew was protected from the flow of time, making them for all intents and purposes, immortal"
It's also mentioned in the episode how they've been trying to repair the damage they did in the first place for hundreds of years.
And transwarp technology doesn't work outside the ST universe...
Why not? It's essentially the same thing as hyperdrive. You jump into subspace where you are propelled at mind-boggling speeds in the same way you jump into hyperspace and propelled at mind-boggling speeds. And hyperspace and subspace are like Green Arrow and Hawkeye. Superman and Mr. Majestic. Doctor Strange and Doctor Fate. Catsup and Ketchup.
My "self-enforced" condition that ALL of ST challenges ALL of SW. So you have a space battle, a ground battle and have everything in both universes participate in it.
But not everything in Star Trek is about battle. ALL of Star Trek includes ridiculous supersciences like time travel without risk of paradoxes.
Apparently [b]no one
in the ST universe is capable of controlled time travel since it happens "by accident" only and the Krenim simply switch to alternate timelines. Or have we seen some willfull time manipulation in the ST universe up to now ?[/b]
The borg were able to do it to travel with accuracy down to the day and the Enterprise was able to travel back to the present via the same method. And I've already explained the krenim ship multiple times.
No. That would kill everything in the SW Galaxy including the "Krenim and Borg" invading it to destroy it 5 Trillion years in the past. And still SW wins...ahahaha...
The borg and krenim aren't tied to the force though. Has the force formed an avatar and gone on a killing spree? Because time travel has occured on Star Trek.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
The "Star Trek biased site" I got it from was the movie itself. They chase it for a while and yeah, they damage it but for a battleship, it didn't do much.
That's because SW shielding technology. The same Stardestroyer would destroy ST ships in seconds
The precision would have to be incredible for the black holes to just sit out of range of each others pull without their being space in between for ships to fly through. I don't claim to be a black hole specialist, but if they are far enough apart that there's no gravity pulling them towards each other, then there is enough space in between them for ships to pass with little or no gravitational effects.
They are "generated" by lifeforms at will...so...they are "precise" enough.
For the last time, the alternate timeline they make is superimposed over the "real" timeline. That's the whole reason why Voyager's temporal shielding affected the time ship and why they had to do battle. They witnessed Krenim ships transform in front of them due to temporal changes.
So they basically "dublicate" the entire timeline as it is and then put themselves into it ?
They have very different physiology though. Heck, even Romulans are way different than Vulcans internally and they're two leaves off the same branch.
Oh please. How high is the possibility that alien species are humanoid ? Arguing "odds" is useless here. What happened did happen and that's it...
The second paragraph on the memory alpha site for the krenim temporal weapon ship reads "the crew was protected from the flow of time, making them for all intents and purposes, immortal"It's also mentioned in the episode how they've been trying to repair the damage they did in the first place for hundreds of years.
Oh please. Did they enter a certain reality or did they try to "fix" it from the outside ?
Why not? It's essentially the same thing as hyperdrive. You jump into subspace where you are propelled at mind-boggling speeds in the same way you jump into hyperspace and propelled at mind-boggling speeds. And hyperspace and subspace are like Green Arrow and Hawkeye. Superman and Mr. Majestic. Doctor Strange and Doctor Fate. Catsup and Ketchup.
No. It is not. Transwarp is based on using anomalies in subspace called "transwarp conduits" which the Borg have discovered and since those don't exist in the SW Galaxy they can't be utilized.
But not everything in Star Trek is about battle. ALL of Star Trek includes ridiculous supersciences like time travel without risk of paradoxes.
It doesn't matter...
The borg and krenim aren't tied to the force though. Has the force formed an avatar and gone on a killing spree? Because time travel has occured on Star Trek.
And this is were your nice time travel theory ends. The borg and Krenim aren't tied to the force but their technology would get affected by it within the SW universe since it's matter. The Yuuzhan Vong weren't affected because all of their "technology" is bio-engineered stuff that isn't tied to the force - ST technology is not. So within the SW Galaxy their ships will get affected by the force.
And the force has basically taken over several beings in the SW EU and used them for it's purpose. So even if a single paramecium shows up the Krenim and the Borg - travelling back in time to destroy the SW Galaxy - could get royally screwed by the Force which would simply destroy all their nice little ships. So unless they can survive in outer space and destroy planets with their bare hands...SW wins...again.