All Of Star Trek Vs All Of Star Wars

weapons I think have to goto ST....lasers vs phasers.....ST ships laugh when they encounter laser equipped enemies.....granted they have some powerful ones but none that can do enough damage to ST shields(- death star blast)....ST has a much wider variety of powerful weapons...
Shields again to ST as laser blasts kill SW shileds and have virtually no effect on ST shields...armor(hull strength) goes to SW thats obvious....only borg combing cubes can get close with the exception of ST voyager came up with some special armor....so lets say with the hull strength we will call shielding even....speed SW.....just because I dont know the speeds...Im sure someone does and Im guessing transwarp drive equals hyperdrive but since I dont know I just give it to SW...sensors from what weve seen goes to ST they can tell just about anything with their sensors...SW just never dwelled on sensor readings much....medical I would guess ST simply due to them growing new limbs with a device where in SW they just go robotic...lol...ships Im undecided since there are so many different type standard fleet ships in ST and basically they are all the same in SW....superweapons going with ST as seeing the doomsday machine could eat a deathstar....lifeforms...sure SW has alot of different ones but most are all humanoid type solid organic type....ST so many powerful energy based lifeforms in ST I just dont see it...sure you have jedi with limited esp and clairavoyant skills (a few that appear to grow to unlimited levels like NJO luke and a couple older sith) but put em up against gary mitchell or persay the greek gods...yes they were in ST (one of em anyways) kes,many more ST has got lifeforms down sheer numbers including droid armies probably SW but thats debatable for sure....powers I included in lifeforms.....not downing TRS as hes cool but the 300 years vs 10,000 er whatever is only applying to the federation if I understand......what about all the other factions races etc....that have been around alot longer.....what about species 8471 or what ever number the borg assigned em...lol....arent they suppose to be really old...many other advanced civilizations ST has run across we dont know how long they been at it....earth got a late start sure but once we got started we caught up really fast! Personally though I cant wait till a wormhole opens up...lol....then maybe the borg can start construction of a transwarp gate and the invasion can begin! borg assimilating jedi! Sith turning kilngons to the darkside! yea!...lol

JD, you're cool, but the idea that turbolasers = lasers is clearly debunked. See www.stardestroyer.com for details.

For those keeping score, here's the direct link:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/tlc/Power/index.html

(sorry Wesker, but replace the .com with .net and you're in like Flint)

Link redirected to SW.com talking about carbon freezing...lol.....never saw what you intended me to....seriously though maybe they are hyped up laser blasts but look at the handheld blasters they have compared to a handheld phaser even a type 1 I think thats suppose to be weakest?....anyway the little box shaped ones kirk liked so much...they totally vaporize the enemy....the blastors in star wars are comparable to like a bullet....ROTJ leia took a shoulder shot...hurt a little thats it...if it would have been a phaser set to kill she would have been dead....no matter where she got hit.....I know we are talking small scale with the handheld...but they have said over and over on star trek how phasers can wipe out the surface of a planet or continent....turbo lasers I have a feeling would take longer if they even had the range and you never see or hear any SW ships attacking planet surfaces with their turbolasers....If that was possible they wouldnt have needed the death star so bad.....they lasers turbolasers scuse me...lol...have not the range nor the power of phasers.....IMO

Originally posted by jedi2187
For those keeping score, here's the direct link:

http://www.stardestroyer.net/tlc/Power/index.html

(sorry Wesker, but replace the .com with .net and you're in like Flint)

okay thanks there jedi.....this stardestoyer.net seems to be doing a lot of guess work and the asteroids were blowing up not vaporizing.....? and this..."an X-Wing's blaster cannons easily release more energy in 10 seconds than the entire United States produces in electrical power. This is especially impressive when one considers the number of nuclear power plants in operation in the United States." This dude is a wannabe genius on acid...lol

Trust me, JD, it's not as fanatical as ST-vs-SW.net or (shudder) wcnews (home of the surviving fans of Wing Commander. All 14 of them.)

Yeah, that guy actually knows his shit.

seems to think he knows it to much...lol....well I would like his guess work on the power of phasers.....he talks about vaporizing maybe I was not using the correct term when speaking of phaser damage....but then again ST didnt stay consistent with the type of damage phasers do...kirk era shit would disappear completly disintegrated maybe better term than vaporized? Now days in newer ST shit doesnt disappear anymore guess we need a wannabe genius on acid to analyze the type of phasers on ST surley there are some out there but I dont feel like surfing for it so I just say then give weapons to SW...lol...until someone comes up with some more good guesswork on ST phasers..lol....time fer a drink 🍺

The problem I have with Stardestroyer.net is that the guy already does not like ST so he takes is final answer, ST sucks, and works back from there...

SW-vs-ST.net at least takes an objective look at the two and does his best to come up with an answer.

Wong of Stardestroyer.net just derives his questions to equal the answer he wants. I think his physics are a bit more sound but he is not objective at all... It is a completely biased website which hurts him in the end.

I have stated this before as well... SW = Fantasy Fiction while ST = Science Fiction.

ST makes many efforts to keep its tech in the relm of possible while the SW engineers just threw out unrealistic numbers to match its fantasy world.

But in the end it all comes down to this...

The SW movies take place over 10,000 years after SW universe achieved faster than light travel. The ST universe takes place from the achievment of faster than light travel to about 300 years after the achievment.

So its not a fair or logical or realistic comparison.

300 years after "earth" reaches warp speed......what about the rest of the galaxy.....SW is a galaxy far far away.....lol.....but we have our neighbor galaxy with the little centipede dudes and chics been travellin warp + for Quite awhile...lol.....not tryin to mess with your speech T promise but your stuck on earths warp speed time line when the rest of our galaxy AND neighbors been doin lot longer than us (earth).....but I totally agree with stardestroynet opinion...dude iz nutz...lol...well hes nutz and Im drunk again...LMAO!

Originally posted by Wesker

And this statement is ridiculous. The Borg aren't capable of taking over a Death Star. Hell, they get hacked up with swords...

Originally posted by Jack Daniels
300 years after "earth" reaches warp speed......what about the rest of the galaxy.....SW is a galaxy far far away.....lol.....but we have our neighbor galaxy with the little centipede dudes and chics been travellin warp + for Quite awhile...lol.....not tryin to mess with your speech T promise but your stuck on earths warp speed time line when the rest of our galaxy AND neighbors been doin lot longer than us (earth).....but I totally agree with stardestroynet opinion...dude iz nutz...lol...well hes nutz and Im drunk again...LMAO!

I here ya JD... Oh and pass some of that my way!!!

I know this thread is ALL of SW vs ALL of ST but due to what the SW finatics like to call "single events" or "single anomolies" or "one timers" in the ST universe where a single episode presents an alien species that seems to have great powers but doe not give any other info... there are just way to many of those "events" to truely map out the ST universe... Heck, look at the episode where Worf hits a spacial anomoly and by the end of the episode every Enterprise D from every parallel universe is all in one space... that alone provides the ST universe with an infininte number of Enterprise D's... So ST automatically has an infinite number of ships... It does not matter how many SW destroys, ST still has more...

Its things like that that the SW folks dont like to acknowledge and also make it hard for ST because its to difficult to map out all those one timers.

Thats why you really need to focus on what the shows focus on... which is the Federation and the Empire... But that is a VS match for another time and another thread.

This thread is ALL of SW vs ALL of ST... and with Q, the Borg, and an infinite supply of Enterprise D's... ST wins no matter how powerful SW is.

The End...

Well now, as I'm sure has been said somewhere in the first 40 pages (holy cow) of this thread. There's really now guarantee that even after adapting the borg force fields would be able to overcome shot's that big. For any force field there is a theoretical upper limit to what it can absorb, the borg are just more effecient - after adaptation - at it than other star trek things weve seen.

On the star trek side of things, I've never seen the empire use any faster than light weapons, doesn't mean they don't exist, but I've never seen them, so ST shoul be fairly safe if they stay in warp.

If we eliminate omnipotent beings and doomsday weapons from both universes, I think SW still has one huge plus... It's commaders. I can't think of any ST fleet commanders who could handle an even battle against......GRAND ADMIRAL THRAWN. That may just be because ST usually just follows one ship around we don't get to see fleet command, but the closest I can come up with is Kirk since he "won" the kobyashi maru. Any thoughts?

Great googly-moogly! It's the thread that won't die!

JD, got any more liquor I can swig?

Fine, TRS let's do the Royal Rumble™!

Everyone in ST vs. Everyone in SW

The Federation HQ is Earth, so the Empire drops by to give them a friendly 'Hello' with a superlaser anal probe. The Earth is summarily turned into PixieStix powder to last generations.

The Borg, seizing their chance to get attention, decide to declare war on anything remotely organic. One of the Cube's gets within range of the Executor, and beams aboard a boarding party. Just by chance, go fig, the Emperor is on board.
*knock on Palpatine's door*
"Hello?"
'we are borg. resistance is futile'
Palpatine shuts the door.
*knocks again*
"Yes?"
'don't do that. we are borg. resistance is futile'
"You depend upon organic life, don't you?"
'um....yes.'
"And you all have spinal chords since you apparently assimilated humans that look like Edgar Winter with shaved heads and even clammier skin", asks Palp.
'of course we do. we are--'
Palp raises his hands, "So that means that I can do this to you--"
Palp reaches out with the Force and snaps each and every neck of the borg on his ship. He then orders a massive squad of stormtroopers to board the cube and use their rifles as clubs and beat each borg until their skins show some actual color.
The borg are beaten harder than the Chicago Cubs and scurry off to hide behind the Borg Queen (if you don't know who I'm talking about, just rent ST: First Contact. Better yet, rent 'Aliens' since they 'borrowed' their storyline from this flick). Vader pays a visit with a bouquet of Whup-Ass™ and a squad of supercommandos. The Queen is lowered into her Pam Anderson boobsuit and walks sultry-like up to Vader.
Vader doesn't get charmed by her come-on's, her one liners and those tubes coming out of her head. Doesn't matter much at all to him since his 'Li'l Annies' got burned off on Mustafar. Vader grabs her out of her suit, then takes one hand and grabs the top of her head and the other on her spine and says 'Make a wish, bee-yotch'.

Enterprise-E comes out of warp and lands right into the heart of the Alliance.
Picard opens a communication to whoever can pick up the call and accept the charges.
"This is Jean-Luc Picard of the Enterprise. Can anyone hear me?"
Ackbar and his staff pick up the signal, tell the operator to pass the collect-call charges to Coruscant, and load up Jean-Luc's image on the viewfinder.
"Hey!", says Han, "It's that guy from X-Men! Hey Xavier, that was a damn good flick!"
Picard looks at the group, puzzled. "You mean you haven't seen me do 'A Christmas Carol?"
"Been meaning to," says Luke, "but I've been busy on Broadway."
Leia looks on the bridge of the Enterprise, "Say, where's your crew?"
Picard rolls his eyes, "Playing poker. Again."

Yoda is meditating on Dagobah, when Q pops out of nowhere.
"Greetings, Kermit. You know, you can do with some company."
Yoda looks at him, puzzled. "Not much air time you have on screen, do you?"
Q looks hurt.
"If so powerful you are, why not have double-billing per movie like Data?"
Q gets pissed, "That Spiner punk gets more than me?!?", Q disappers in a flash of light, and Yoda goes back into his hut to watch 'Enterprise' get cancelled.

Head count:
Federation... pwned
Borg Queen...pwned
Enterprise...busy (card game)
Q...............seriously pwned!

Winner:💃 💃 💃 Star Wars!!!!💃 💃 💃

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=star+wars+&word2=star+trek

I just saw an episode of TNG with Q. called "True Q"

This is the one where the girl (Amanda) starts showing signs of being Q.

In this episode Q changes the laws of physics, and....he says this about Amanda:

"...If shes not careful she could destroy herself, or all of you, or your entire galaxy.."

So Q is afraid that she could destroy the Galaxy that the federation is in (or galaxy). Now she would have to be able to destroy the galaxy in an instant if she was to do it unwillingly because she wouldn't go around destroying stuff for no reason.

So basically, Q's have the power to destroy galaxy's, by accident. Just thought I'd point that out in here. 😉

My fave Q stories is when he pretends he's Indiana Jones and goes treasure hunting with Picard's bed-buddy, Vash.
Good times, good times.

Originally posted by TRSundown
The problem I have with Stardestroyer.net is that the guy already does not like ST so he takes is final answer, ST sucks, and works back from there...

Actually, if you read the site, you'd see that he's an avid science fiction fan in general, and that he made the site in response to blatant Trekkie fanboyism. It's not that he hates Star Trek; it's that he hates the blatantly illogical arguments used in ST versus SW on message boards all over the net.

Also, he points out -and rightly so- that all people are slightly biased. No one who has a stance on the subject can be neutral and still have full knowledge to judge both sides. Wong dislikes ST's casual mutilation of physics and other sciences as well as it's racist undertones and communist undertones. And he's justified in his opinions as he's greatly expanded on them and backed them up with instances and scans, etc.

SW-vs-ST.net at least takes an objective look at the two and does his best to come up with an answer.

Actually, Graham's notoriously underqualified to make most of his scienfic "findings", and has favored ST in all approximate numbers in order to stack the deck to fit his bias. And I find his site to be pretentious and the centerpiece of every Trekkie argument.

Wong of Stardestroyer.net just derives his questions to equal the answer he wants. I think his physics are a bit more sound but he is not objective at all... It is a completely biased website which hurts him in the end.

It is a debating fallacy to attack a person's bias or supposed motive instead of their arguments. If you can provide substantiated proof where Wong is clearly wrong, provide it. If not, your opinion on his stance is moot.

I have stated this before as well... SW = Fantasy Fiction while ST = Science Fiction.

Unfortunately, your qualification of the genres is subjective and not official. Blockbuster has them both under action. Best Buy under science fiction, and the novels fall under the same at the library. But that's neither here nor there. Wong shows - and rightly so - that ST science is bullshit masquerading as science, nothing more. And for the argument at hand (to which the validity of science is a small point) ST still gets stomped, because both have visible and canon measures of power, etc. (As shown in the material and in official reference manuals) and ST is clearly lacking. Not even going into the whole lack of a standing professional army, or even enough planets to sustain a concentrated SW attack.

ST makes many efforts to keep its tech in the relm of possible while the SW engineers just threw out unrealistic numbers to match its fantasy world.

Here YOUR bias shows. BOTH have unrealistic numbers. But instead of Trekkies putting up good arguments and/or possibly admitting that they are outmaneuvered and outgunned, etc by SW, they whine and complain about SW's "unrealistic" numbers. Yeah, and transporters are useable without a recepticle. And time paradoxes CAN exist along with alternate timelines. And "recalibration" is all it takes to make shields work, even though recalibration is simply putting something back to its default working settings. The list goes on and on. If you intend to make SW's chances of victory somehow dependant on unrealistic tech, you need to set aside a week and compile every single unrealistic and out of tough ST tech there is. Hell, a week won't be enough.

But in the end it all comes down to this...

The SW movies take place over 10,000 years after SW universe achieved faster than light travel. The ST universe takes place from the achievment of faster than light travel to about 300 years after the achievment.

So its not a fair or logical or realistic comparison.

This is whining and being a Star Trek apologist. "But they have more time on us... waaaaaa". Look- Trekkies made this thread and others like it. They've gone all out to "prove" that ST is more sophisticated, more realistic, more this, more that and everything else you can think of besides God's gift to science fiction... and then when SW supporters casually stomp the living shit out of them, they whine about the time difference. Talk about being a fanboy!

Please. We've proved our case. Stop whining about losing.

Originally posted by Wesker
Actually, if you read the site, you'd see that he's an avid science fiction fan in general, and that he made the site [b]in response to blatant Trekkie fanboyism. It's not that he hates Star Trek; it's that he hates the blatantly illogical arguments used in ST versus SW on message boards all over the net.

Also, he points out -and rightly so- that all people are slightly biased. No one who has a stance on the subject can be neutral and still have full knowledge to judge both sides. Wong dislikes ST's casual mutilation of physics and other sciences as well as it's racist undertones and communist undertones. And he's justified in his opinions as he's greatly expanded on them and backed them up with instances and scans, etc.

Actually, Graham's notoriously underqualified to make most of his scienfic "findings", and has favored ST in all approximate numbers in order to stack the deck to fit his bias. And I find his site to be pretentious and the centerpiece of every Trekkie argument.

It is a debating fallacy to attack a person's bias or supposed motive instead of their arguments. If you can provide substantiated proof where Wong is clearly wrong, provide it. If not, your opinion on his stance is moot.

Unfortunately, your qualification of the genres is subjective and not official. Blockbuster has them both under action. Best Buy under science fiction, and the novels fall under the same at the library. But that's neither here nor there. Wong shows - and rightly so - that ST science is bullshit masquerading as science, nothing more. And for the argument at hand (to which the validity of science is a small point) ST still gets stomped, because both have visible and canon measures of power, etc. (As shown in the material and in official reference manuals) and ST is clearly lacking. Not even going into the whole lack of a standing professional army, or even enough planets to sustain a concentrated SW attack.

Here YOUR bias shows. BOTH have unrealistic numbers. But instead of Trekkies putting up good arguments and/or possibly admitting that they are outmaneuvered and outgunned, etc by SW, they whine and complain about SW's "unrealistic" numbers. Yeah, and transporters are useable without a recepticle. And time paradoxes CAN exist along with alternate timelines. And "recalibration" is all it takes to make shields work, even though recalibration is simply putting something back to its default working settings. The list goes on and on. If you intend to make SW's chances of victory somehow dependant on unrealistic tech, you need to set aside a week and compile every single unrealistic and out of tough ST tech there is. Hell, a week won't be enough.

This is whining and being a Star Trek apologist. "But they have more time on us... waaaaaa". Look- Trekkies made this thread and others like it. They've gone all out to "prove" that ST is more sophisticated, more realistic, more this, more that and everything else you can think of besides God's gift to science fiction... and then when SW supporters casually stomp the living shit out of them, they whine about the time difference. Talk about being a fanboy!

Please. We've proved our case. Stop whining about losing. [/B]

Dude... have you even read this thread??? The only reason I pulled that unrealistic crap out of my ass is becuase the SW folks keep saying just as stupid stuff. I am one of the only ST supporters in here that actually has tried to provide a resonable and supported argument for Trek.

And if you had taken the time to read the thread you would find out that I can and have supported Trek to provide resonalble doubt into is inferiority to Wars.

And if you had taken the time to read the thread you would find out that I am unbiased... I only support Trek cause when I entered here Trek was the underdog... I have more Wars collectables in my home than Trek. I have actually thrown out support for WARS as well...

And the one thing that I throw out that shows TREK superiority no WARS supporter can refute... look back a few on my comments about the Imperial Probe Droid.

Im not the one that said all of Wars vs all of Trek... oh and look up a few posts about the Q comments.... and you will see... or maybe not...

I, being one of the most avid Trek supporters, has been the only one to admit the downfalls of the side I support. The Wars folks on the other hand have no ability to admit that there are things in Trek that really do hold up to Wars... Go back and read the entire thread... and chew on it for a bit...

I have read this thread since it was created, and I've sorted all the evidence, heard all the arguments so far, and found the ST side severely lacking. And the complaints are tiresome, almost cliche. If you -really- have an airtight case for ST, I'd like to see it condensed in one argument, whether it takes one post or five. We've done that.