spiderman isnt beating rogue, titania isnt nothing compare to rogue, almost anybody in the secret wars could have taken her.
Please give me an update on where spiderman has fought someone as powerful as titania and firelord currently, he hasnt. Like I said before during the secret wars, spiderman could have held his own against thanos, marvel was giving him a name.
Rogue is beating spiderman, she just have to much going for her and spiderman isnt as experienced as her, the guy isnt a tactitian, he depends on his spidersence every time he fights.
Every comic, rogue is fighting power houses, like juggernaut, she fought apocalypse by herself, holocaust, you get my point, while spiderman is fighting vulture, king pin, who put spiderman in a bear hug squezzing the life out of him and kraven who almost killed him.
Rogue has this fight in the bag, sorry to tell the spiderman fans that.
who kid, i would like to let u know something; rogue is invulnerable to physical attacks. She has been hit in the back of the head by a sentinel and got straight back up. she has been punched by juggernaut and after hitting the ground got right back up and start throwing punches herself. She has been pounded by apocalypse and got back up and knocked him off of his feet. She has gotten clobbered by colossus and got up and beat the breaks off of him. she has taken punches from gladiator and was doing good until he koed her. Do i need to keep going, do u get my point. No matter how all out spiderman goes, he aint koing rogue and if venom who is 15 ton in strength break the webbing, rogue aint having a problem. Rogue is better than spiderman in all catagories except agility, he's not winning.
please dont say that rogue isnt going to be able to touch spiderman because if king pin can do it rogue can do it 50 more times, if vulture can do it (who is in his late 80's) than rogue could do it 50 times, if wolverine could do it in marvel knights #13 than rogue could do it just as easy. Spiderman does have great speed but he loses just like anybody else and also gets hit just like everybody else. Lets put it like this ok spiderman has speed and agility but when he fought absorbing man, why did he throw up car parts on spiderman, after he absorbed the metal on the car, spiderman powers didnt fade, he speed and spider sense was still there but absorbing man threw up on him. do u get my point; rogue is going to clean his clock.
"it just occured to me.......
isn't GalacticStorm the one who went on about how
Storm can totally destroy Dr. Doom by herself?"
Excuse me what does that have to do with anything? What point were you trying to make by saying that? Are you trying to 'subtley' make a reference to my credibility. If so be a grown up and tell it to me str8 cos i would be happy to address any issues you might have.
derick i see u r a rogue fan but spiderman has defeated people way stronger than rogue and she is not ivulnerable to physical attack u make some good points derick but some points dont make sence
spiderman has fought hulk alot of times i got the comic i just gotta find itanyway rogue got her ass owned by gladiator,juggernaut,appocolypse alot of people spiderman is smart and could punch and kick her in her pressure points witch wil leave her owned and spiderman is hella smart and will come up with somethin
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
"it just occured to me.......
isn't GalacticStorm the one who went on about how
Storm can totally destroy Dr. Doom by herself?"
Excuse me what does that have to do with anything? What point were you trying to make by saying that? Are you trying to 'subtley' make a reference to my credibility. If so be a grown up and tell it to me str8 cos i would be happy to address any issues you might have.
Originally posted by Zahit
what i'm saying is that if you truly believe that Storm can beat Dr. Doom,
than you probably have a strong bias towards X-Men......simple as that.
Spiderman has consistently beaten people who could destroy Rogue,
yet you say she's too much for him.....
I do question your logic if you truly believe that Storm can defeat Dr. Doom by herself.
That is where youre wrong. If you actually read my contributions to that Storm Vs Doom thread you will see that my argument was completely understandable given what happened when they faced each other in the comics and she whupped him. However further on in that thread Wynndarr told me it was revealed that in virtually all of Dooms appearances where he doesnt show his face, that being could have been a doom bot. I then acknowledged that before getting into an argument with AC which is another story. But where is the bias in that? None in the slightest. I went by what actually happened in the comics and i was then given extra info after which point i stopped debating on that topic. So that doesnt affect my credibility at all.
On to the point that spidey has beaten people who could destroy rogue. Ummmm yeah so whats your point. Its not as easy as that when debating about superheroes and villains and you know that. Those people hes beaten have different things going for and against them in a battle with spiderman than rogue does.
For example Shadowcat can and has beaten Sentinels who could easily destroy a lot of her team mates just because her powers disruot electronics and give her an advantage against that particular opponent.
Sentinels can and have quite easily f**cked up Wolverine, kill him even, as one did in 'Days of future past'.
However just because kitty can take out a sentinel who could easily mess up wolverine doesnt mean she to can take out wolverine.
Quite the opposite in fact because adamantium is so dense that it causes her harm even while phasing. So wolverine can take her out quite easily because her powers while effective against something that he cant hhope to match arent so hot against him.
See my point?
black wolverine u dont know anything about rogue, she is invulnerable. Go to www.marvel.com and see for yourself, it says that she is invulnerable. She dont have pressure points and when have spiderman learned anykind of martial arts to know about pressure points, if he knew that, he would of used them on kingpin when he was slapping spiderman around. When spiderman fought the hulk, he was running around the entire time trying to to let hulk grab him, which he did, and hulk was crushing spiderman head, until outside interference saved his life. When spiderman fought juggernaut, that wasnt even a fight, spiderman was a nussance to juggernaut, which ended up with juggernaut been covered in cement. All of spiderman enemies are humans, even venom and carnage, they dont have any experience, they just ran into some powers. Rogue actually goes fist to fist with her opponents, not set up traps like spiderman. spiderman dont have anykind of way of defeating rogue, just like he dont ever goes fist to fist with rhino (he set up traps). Rogue is to smart, has to much power at her disposal, and to much training under her belt to lose by spiderman, who only fights humans on a regular basis. example; lizard, kingpin, vulture, mysterio, venom, carnage tombstone (experiment went wrong), hammerhead. Do you get my point, the point is that, spiderman has a lot more to learn, he has great powers but he's just as human as we are, if he get shot in the right spot he could die, if he slips up in a fight he could die.
give me a gun and i could kill 80% of spiderman enemies. Give me a machine gun i could kill spiderman, if you take away his webbing. I didnt say that his enemies wasnt dangerous, im saying that besides venom and carnage ( who spiderman cant even beat) rogue wouldnt have a problem taking them down, ill give her 5 minutes with each of them, whereas it would take spiderman a entire comic.
You were ranting about Spiderman villians being human with one base power or having a suit or something like that. That describes nearly every comic book character ever created.
A bunch of the Spiderman villians can dodge bullets or just take them with no effect. And Spiderman has dodged machine gun fire so unless you mean sneaking up on him when he's sleeping and duct taped to a tree, you're out of luck there.
all characters arent human based. Majority of wolverines enemies are superhumans, spidermans enemies are humans with machinary, are experiments that went wrong. Spiderman enemies has lack in experience, and they are not tactical at all, they just jump out there and use there powers (except doc ock). Spiderman has problems with tactical fighters, thats why daredevil stomp mudholes in his face because spiderman isnt experience at all, he just depend on his spidersense.
i would like to see spiderman fight apocalypse or juggernaut ( and dont say that he fought juggernaut because the entire fight, the only thing spiderman was doing was running trucks into him and putting web over his face and setting him up for traps (covering him in cement), it wasnt any hand to hand, or gladiator. Rogue goes hand to hand with these people and gives them a run for there money and please dont bring up firelord, that was so long ago bring up something that has currently happened; youre not going to find anything because he dont fight power houses anymore, secret wars made spiderman a god and during that time comics was making him a god, he was literally slapping superman around back then. Now he cant even beat kingpin up, last time i saw them fight, king pin had him in the bear hug squezzing the life out of him. Rogue will destroy spiderman, then 80yr old vulture will be next to hand spiderman a case of but whooping also.