Siding with the Sith

Ok, let's stop talking theory nd get down to caes here.

Here is GL's commentary on good, evil and balance:

"If good and evil are mixed things become blurred - there is nothing between good and evil, everything is grey. In each of us we have balance these emotions, and in the Star Wars saga the most important point is balance, balance between everything. It is dangerous to lose this"

See? He specifically extols the virtue of seperating good and evil into black and white- and as far away from grey as possible!

Like I say, this is very established stuff. And as I say, disagree all you like, but this is still how it is.

Originally posted by Vanquish
The ONLY relevent viewpoint is that of the Author.

Well what a dull world that is to live in.

Well, some might say Star Wars is a dull story.

But it is still HIS story, and his alone.

See and I take his view on the dangerous grey area as motivation for using grey in the films...to show it IS dangerous.

But the point is that all the good guys ARE simply white. There is no other choice. If you aren't white, you aren't good.

The loss of that Balance in the Galaxy is actually the slide into evil- not grey areas.

Meanwhile, we combine all that with GL's comments that he hated mixed-morality heroes and wanted to create a story where the good guys and bad guys were clearly defined as such...

... and we have an undeniable conceptual stance for his story.

Sorry...the Jedi are not collectivly flawless. If you aren't white...you can be black or many shades of grey.

then tell me Master Ush, in episode 1,2,3! What would u define the senate as (considering that it slowly grew more corrupt)

When it comes to their moraity, they are white- simple as that. The are the champions of all things good.

That they are not perfect, I state again, has nothing to do with their moralities.

As GL sees it, there should be no shades of grey.

Hmm...as clearly defined as the reluctant hero?

Originally posted by whitewookie
then tell me Master Ush, in episode 1,2,3! What would u define the senate as (considering that it slowly grew more corrupt)

The Senate is not a person. There will be good and bad people in it- but each either bad, or good. There isn't anyone in the middle, in GL's story.

The bad are outnumbering the good.

Originally posted by tlbauerle
Hmm...as clearly defined as the reluctant hero?

I am not 100% clear what you are getting at.

that same theory can be applied to jedi and sith, THEY too are not people merely groups *raises eyebrow*

Originally posted by whitewookie
that same theory can be applied to jedi and sith, THEY too are not people merely groups *raises eyebrow*

Yes, but they are all either good or evil, and as it happens, ALL the Jedi are good, and ALL... well, BOTH the Sith are evil.

although both practice such arts that delve into the other! Such as mace windus practice of a more agressive saber art that is formed from aggression and dare i say it some flavour of a darker nature?

Err, no, that is handling a weapon. Handling a weapon does not make you good or evil. What you use that weapon for is more relevant.

so if i hacked away at a person with a lightsaber, removing ALL limbs, but simply to incampacitate an enemy, thats perfectly justifiable?

That depends on the circumstance! Jedi use weapons, harming others in the course of their duty, if need be, is always going to be part of their jobs.

But they never fight for selfish reasons.

Whether there SHOULD be grey is not the point.

The dangers lye in the fact that there IS grey.

The reluctant hero...say Han Solo is not a clearly defined character. Sure he is a hero, but he is reluctant. It shows the conflict between the individual and collective mindset.

Is the fact the he is ultimately a hero enough to wipe away the fact he was reluctant? I think it leaves it up to the viewer to decide, which is why Han is an ambivalent character.

Err, no, Han is White. He doesn't want to believe it, but he is, and ultimately he cannot deny it.

He's a good guy, out and out.

with a dark history of smuggling, spice trading, involvement with murderers and kingpins? wow, sounds like a virgin to me! might as well put on his symbolic brides dress now! *a heavy dose of sarcasm is always favoured by a brit*