Silver Surfer vs Swamp Thing

actually surfer has created life. like i mentioned previously he turned bullets into flowers, which are living organisms, im sure if he puts his mind to it he could probably create more comlex life with his power cosmic, hell galactus does it, even thanos has done it.

the thing about surfer is he's one of those guys with melee capabalties, due to his sheer raw power. if shit comes to shit he can just go nova on a scale that human torch can only dream about and wipe out every single organism on any given planet, ripping said planet asunder while he's at it.

ST is the elements, what the F is he gonna do? throw water and rocks at him? and finish him off with some air, and fire, and grow plants on his face, i dont think so.

Oh so if SS was to be crushed between mountains and oceans and the like im sure He wont even feel a thing yeah right. Swamp Thing is not as powerless as He seems try fire at millions upon millions of degre's and plant growth come on people a strong enough plant can hold up the universe so why couldnt He make a plant of some sort that could defeat the SS.

SS survived in the center of the ****in' earth. He's gone through stars. HE WILL NOT BE BEATEN BY ST!

fire means nothing to the surfer dude, is skin alone can withstand all manner of heats and colds and pressure before he even has to invoke any personal force-shields, plus he'll just disintergate anything thrown at him, back in the day Iron man flew thru a piece of rock the size of manhattan that terrax threw at him so i doubt a mounatin or two would be a problem for SS

Look SS is not all powerful His powers are not limitless SS would eventualy be defeated by Swampthing just like eventually someone can pick up Thor's hammer witch has happend give me a break He went through a star sooooooo whatttttt im sure Swampthing can create something hotter then that and SS cant even handle a blast from Dr Dooms gauntlets what would He do if He was being crushed by mountains or oceans????????

Originally posted by Mider
Look SS is not all powerful His powers are not limitless SS would eventualy be defeated by Swampthing just like eventually someone can pick up Thor's hammer witch has happend give me a break He went through a star sooooooo whatttttt im sure Swampthing can create something hotter then that and SS cant even handle a blast from Dr Dooms gauntlets what would He do if He was being crushed by mountains or oceans????????

He survived in the center of the Earth. Thats a hell of a lot more heat and pressure than any mountain range.

Stop babbling and realize that ST has too many ways to continue living, but no real offensive power to beat SS with.

What the hell is SS gonna do to Swampthing He has beaten guys alot stronger and why would He not beat SS.

Originally posted by Mider
What the hell is SS gonna do to Swampthing He has beaten guys alot stronger and why would He not beat SS.

SS can't beat swamp thing, he has too many ways to survive. But ST has no type of attack that will do any damage to SS. It's a tie.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
SS can't beat swamp thing, he has too many ways to survive. But ST has no type of attack that will do any damage to SS. It's a tie.

that might be true

If were talking a tie here, then IMHO, SS cant do anything to ST not because ST has too many ways to survive. But because SS simply doesnt have too much firepower or strength to actually bring down ST. Just the sheer number of plants on ST's side(not to mention that each plant has different abilities from each other) and the fact that he can control all types of Fire, Water, Land/Stone, etc. says it for me. The day SS can hold power comparable to the combined powers of all the superheroes/villains/mystics on Earth, is the day that I will consider SS inflicting a damage to ST(it would only be a minor damage though, since thats basically what they achieved in the whole time ST was a World Elemental).

Manipulating, Absorbing, and Energy Blasting will do good for Surfer in the beginning moments of the battle, but eventually he'll realize that there are just too many of the elements to actually beat all of it and Swampy.

And thinking about it one more time, I guess the same can be said to ST not doing anything to SS. I will admit that.

And about Swamp Thing holding his own against the Presence, I had the Swamp Thing Volume 2 before, and I dont remember anything of ST actually holding his own against God.

Not to be a dick, but couldn't Surfer teleport them both into space and simply drag Swamp Thing through hyperspace unprotected, which would theoretically destroy Swamp Thing's body no matter what it consisted of save maybe a form of 'fire' which Surfer could absorb/extinguish. He may be able to reform eventually, but Surfer could take him to a vacant area in space.

I know the whole "Why do people always resort to knocking the opponent into space?" argument, but considering what Swamp Thing is capable of, that's the only method of attack between the two that may work.

Smacking Surfer with ice, asteroids, salads, and a strong wind won't put him down.

Exposing Swamp Thing's body to light speed friction may.

Cosmic Cube said that Surfer can CONTROL TIME. So he stops time and throws Swamp Thing to the sun.

Originally posted by The Flash
Cosmic Cube said that Surfer can CONTROL TIME. So he stops time and throws Swamp Thing to the sun.

he can't control time. ( he can go back in time) , or by going near light speed slow the movement of others.

In marvel there is someone called Chronos ( cosmic entity in charge of time)

Surfer can warp space/time also

he can effect many aspect of space/time but he is not Chronos.

Tell that to Cosmic Cube, not me.

I have just got done searching through ST history on this site http://rhandley.0catch.com/swampthing/Chrono-09.htm and NO WHERE does it show ST going up against The Source/The Presence. i kinda believe that is a joke online that has been going over the internet for awhile, nobody can match God.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Not to be a dick, but couldn't Surfer teleport them both into space and simply drag Swamp Thing through hyperspace unprotected, which would theoretically destroy Swamp Thing's body no matter what it consisted of save maybe a form of 'fire' which Surfer could absorb/extinguish. He may be able to reform eventually, but Surfer could take him to a vacant area in space.

I know the whole "Why do people always resort to knocking the opponent into space?" argument, but considering what Swamp Thing is capable of, that's the only method of attack between the two that may work.

Smacking Surfer with ice, asteroids, salads, and a strong wind won't put him down.

Exposing Swamp Thing's body to light speed friction may.

Hmm....... well, thats a good plan and I think that could probably work. But we must take into consideration that Swamp Thing can go to every place in the world in an instant. I know the Surfer has speed but the problem is he still has to figure out where the Swamp Thing has gone. Meaning he has to roam every place in the world to find him, whereas Swamp Thing, who's basically the one who's being chased, can just decide where to go and he's already there.

Another consideration is, if Surfer managed to teleport ST into space, I dont think he could simply drag him to hyperspace. I mean they basically cant do anything to each other so I dont think a simple dragging could do SS any good.

But then again, I have a question. How does Surfer teleport someone? Does he just snap his fingers and theyre already in space, or something of that effect?

And I havent seen Surfer actually control time, and I highly doubt he could.

Originally posted by kevdude
I have just got done searching through ST history on this site http://rhandley.0catch.com/swampthing/Chrono-09.htm and NO WHERE does it show ST going up against The Source/The Presence. i kinda believe that is a joke online that has been going over the internet for awhile, nobody can match God.

Haha, so I guess its all rumors then. Well, Good!! coz it sure as hell doesnt make sense.

Swampthing has gone back in time too and anyway He cant destroy the wraith part of Swampthing He will always have the ability to come back. And like i said if Swampthing can defeat Dr Fate and all those other guys why would He not be able to take down SS.

I'll tell you why, because all the SS supporters refuse to believe that elemental power can be used against the power cosmic. But it's true. ST might be able to take Surfer into the Green with him, maybe cut him off from the power cosmic, and even if he couldn't, he could still overwhelm him (I doubt SS wields all of the power cosmic the way ST can use all of the green.) ST might even be able to simply recreate SS, turning him into one of his heralds. Everyone seems to underestimate the power to create, which is certainly more powerful than transmutation. ST might be able to go inside SS and grow the size of a planet.

Question:

If "The Green" is a universal elemental energy Swamp Thing wields, and he also wields fire, earth, air, and water, couldn't Surfer's cosmic awareness track him and maybe even sense his weakness (if any) like he does other characters like Gladiator for instance? I'm pretty sure Swamp Thing has an energy signature even in spirit form. Surfer's taken on Mephisto in his own realm where he has control over reality (well, he can break the laws of nature and physics). I'm really seeing this as a draw. Surfer won't normally use lethal force unless completely necessary, and even if he did, he'd have to destroy any 'elemental' material in the vacinity so ST had nothing to reform from, or at least force him to reform in a form that Surfer could counter more easily (Air, Water, Fire). I don't see Surfer destroying an entire planet to kill Swamp Thing unless he really had to, and I don't see Earth, Wind, Fire, Water and Weed taking out Surfer. Swamp Thing is basically an ugly Captain Planet. I wonder if pollution would work on him?

thats very true cuz if you remember when johnny was galan's herald he was so cosmically aware that he knew when ppl was lying and where planets and lifeforms were located, no matter how big or small they were so there is no where ST could go that SS couldnt track him