The Anti-Monitor vs. the Marvel Universe.

Originally posted by manjaro
right...sure he would lose. it took a host of most of DC's heroes and villains from all timelines to merely delay him. they even broke them down in categories magic users, energy weilders, EM spectrum manipulators...etc. even after the spectre had stepped in it only inconvenienced him breifly, if it wasnt for lex luthor's uber powerful kid they never would have stood a chance at defeating him. and even though they did defeat him it was only due to the fact that he had no more energy to absorb so im sure he's still out there some where.

unless Marvel is gonna play cheap and bring in someonne who is akin to him like the Beyonder, or LT there is no way they're winning. I mean how do you beat a guy who created his own universe with enrgies he can absorb at his whim? not easily thats how

You know what would most likely happen? Doom would hop the rungs up the ladder again until he stole Anti-Monitor's powers then give them up because he was bored.

Wouldn't be surprised. Doom's the greatest. Period. He's a mortal with such an amazing mind and will that it puts him on equal footing w/gods!

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GalacticStorm, just ignore Mider. He's on a misguided Anti-Marvel Cosmics crusade. This is the same cat that tried to get me BANNED (yes, BANNED, he reported me to the moderators) just for saying that Living Tribunal was greater than/equal to Lucifer Morningstar when I first got to this board. I didn't insult him in any way or anything, I just posted a logical point of view he couldn't contest and he spazzed out and called me a LT fanboy then reported me to Tron and Paola. He's pathetic man. Just leave him be, he's not worth the 3 synapses used to outsmart him.

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What do you call it when someone thinks that one character can just defeat all the others hmmm thats a fanboy but i guess your to stuipd to know that i mean your someone who thought that Lucifer Morningstar was less powerful then the LT yeah real smart that shows how low your inteligance level is and Galacticstorm anyone can look at you once and know your a PF fanboy i mean its sad it was one comic in witch the PF was reconned and now you think you know everything about it i mean you dont even know how powerful the original Beyonder was if it was Jean Gray fighting The Beyonder you know what would have happend the same damn thing that happend to Racheal She would have been owned.

What comic does it say that PF is multiversal?

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Death is multiversal>>

perhaps, but more likely its the 'concept' that is multiversal. i'm almost positive death has appeared in a 'what if book' somewhere - maybe that same korvac issue where the ultimate nullifier is used at the end. i was also speculating on the IG. based on its origins, it seems to me the wielder was given power over everything in just the wielder's universe. guess it's impossible to know for sure. unless a 'what if thanos won the infinity war' comic comes out . . .

<<IG owned Death so its power is also MultiVersal>>

see above.

<<HOTU is also multiversal>>

from what i've read, it sounds like it is. if that's the case, then again, it (or its wielder) could probably stop AM. i've said all along that only mulitversal beings (hotu, PF, LT) would be able to battle/defeat him in a one on one fight.

<<Marvel has serious issues with its hierarchy.>>

you ain't kiddin'!

Death, Phoenix Force etc has all been called an entity (that is universal at times)

Phoenix in the new EndSong is back to it’s reckon (she is an entity again)

Death was seen with Phoenix outside the universe giving Jean some advice.

Universal / multiversal Marvel mix them up all the time.

IG / HOTU / LT would all own anti-monitor.

Anti-monitor is just like eternity but stronger since he absorbed other universes.

Originally posted by Mider
What comic does it say that PF is multiversal?

Different writers have written it differently

It is not above LT that's for sure

Originally posted by Mider
What comic does it say that PF is multiversal?

In it's very first appearance. It was created when the multiverse alligned itself, creating perfect order that manifested as powerful energy matrix.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
In it's very first appearance. It was created when the multiverse alligned itself, creating perfect order that manifested as powerful energy matrix.

That was its retcon origins. Phoenix originally was created when Jean Grey burned up on re-entry and became a being of pure thought. She became one with everything and at this point the primal force of creation which made everything in existence and is one with everything joined with her. She was reborn and called herself phoenix because of the way she burned up and was reformed.

Jean actually was phoenix. The force she was one with back then wasnt a separate entity with its own identity until after the 86 retcon which is when your origin story comes in. That is when the phoenix became a separate entity that chose to impart its power in people who it felt drawn to.

That is what i mean when i say phoenxes origins and connection with people have been changed over time but never its power.

Grant Morrison in New Xmen then went and reverted the phoenix story back to Chris C's original vision with the phoenix being one with Jean.

The Phoenix itself was a higher consciousness and certain beings in each of the multiverses universes were born with phoenix potential and they would grow up to be able to tap into the force which created and was one with all of life.

The writer of Endsong Greg Pak supports G Morrison on his take of the phoenix and the takes in elements of the 86 retcon. The phoenix is both this higher consciousness and its avatars itself. Each avatars portion of the phoenix force seems to take on the form of its avatar and some of their thought processes. This is what we saw in endsong.

That doesnt change GM's reversion to Chris C's original idea it just incorporates both ideas which is fair enough because the retcon phoenix seems to be the one which is most familiar with comic book readers.

Apprently you guys dont know anything about being outside the universe do you? That doesnt mean anything sept that you can servive if the universe is destroyed or that time and space wont hurt you creating the multiverse is a big thing but it also depends on how long it took if Galactus had like 200000 years He could probably make His own universe some of these Skyfathers have there own universes too there not anywere near the reconned PF. Ill just have to read the Mini-series for myself.

Originally posted by Mider
Apprently you guys dont know anything about being outside the universe do you? That doesnt mean anything sept that you can servive if the universe is destroyed or that time and space wont hurt you creating the multiverse is a big thing but it also depends on how long it took if Galactus had like 200000 years He could probably make His own universe some of these Skyfathers have there own universes too there not anywere near the reconned PF. Ill just have to read the Mini-series for myself.

Ummm so what point are you trying to make here? The phoenix never made a universe it made all of existence and all of the abstracts within them. AM is a rogue Eternity who empowered himself by absorbing other universes. Powerful but big deal. SO WHAT.

The Big Deal is that Phoenix hasnt showed any powers that ive seen that should could dominate the whole multiverse. Destroying a whole galaxy Galactus could do that a whole universe Anti-Monitor can do that by snapping His fingers probably creating a whole multiverse the only people that ive seen able to do that are the Angels from DC the top ones Archangel Micheal and Lucifer Morningstar and of coure TOAA and The Presance now your saying that the PF can do this too........im just not so sure thats true.

Originally posted by Mider
What do you call it when someone thinks that one character can just defeat all the others hmmm thats a fanboy but i guess your to stuipd to know that i mean your someone who thought that Lucifer Morningstar was less powerful then the LT yeah real smart that shows how low your inteligance level is and Galacticstorm anyone can look at you once and know your a PF fanboy i mean its sad it was one comic in witch the PF was reconned and now you think you know everything about it i mean you dont even know how powerful the original Beyonder was if it was Jean Gray fighting The Beyonder you know what would have happend the same damn thing that happend to Racheal She would have been owned.

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Mider, how old are you? 12? 13? 😆

Wow. 😆

I'm waiting for you to call someone a poopie head or say "I know you are, but what am I?" so I can fall out of my chair laughing at your lame ass. How on God's green Earth (not Lucifer Morningstar's, God's) can YOU, of all people, point the finger at someone for thinking a particular character is unbeatable when you're the most childish poster on the board that stoops so low as to make it his goal in life to discredit 'omnipotent' characters who just so happen to not be in the DCU.

Fanboy? 😆

I never have to go to bat for the Tribunal, I don't even really like or dislike the character, i just acknowledge his place in the hierarchy, which happens to be second to only God. If you catch me defending The Punisher, Green Lantern or Black Panther illogically, you might have reason to feel I'm being a 'fanboy' because those are my favorite characters.

That will never happen.

You, on the other hand, are a DC crotch jockey of unknown degree and dimensions. You sit prone and accepting in the lap of any character that comes out of that company and it's hilarious. You probably even use "Bat-lube" when you do it.

Fall back young'n.

Put the Anti-Monitor's and Lucifer's manhoods down and walk away. They don't care about you.

illadelph12 you dont know anything about the LT thats why your a fanboy second to TOAA yeah right how? He was defeated by a human with the powers of one planet and five cosmic entities wow how powerful im so scared. why dont you go **** yourself the reason that Eternity and LT dont do anything sept talk big and pretend there so powerful is cause there to busy getting there dicks waxed by a retard like you and yeah i dont care if you reply to this in some stupid way im kinda drunk right now so **** you ass rammer LOL HAHAHA

Originally posted by Mider
The Big Deal is that Phoenix hasnt showed any powers that ive seen that should could dominate the whole multiverse. Destroying a whole galaxy Galactus could do that a whole universe Anti-Monitor can do that by snapping His fingers probably creating a whole multiverse the only people that ive seen able to do that are the Angels from DC the top ones Archangel Micheal and Lucifer Morningstar and of coure TOAA and The Presance now your saying that the PF can do this too........im just not so sure thats true.

Mider at the end of the day there are many comic references that ive listed throughout this thread for you to look back and witness this for yourself. I cant believe that youre arguing against me so fiercely and insisting you are right but you've hardly read anything about the phoenix whatsoever. Thats ridiculous. How can you argue fairly. Exactly you cant so go to a comic book shop and enlighten yourself.

I gotta say people cosmic crossovers in my opinion are a waste of time as the Marvel Multiverse and thee DC Hypertime are so different. Even at non cosmic level when we start discussing character based on a "plot device" to explain ther powers we are on sticky ground, e.eg Flash's powers don't work in Marvel. Who says the monitors will or Phoenixs in DCU. Like theres no Speed force in Marvel, I don't know if the Phoenix Force is in DCU. You see its pointless 😄

Keep the Faith 🙂 enjoy all good comics 🙂

Originally posted by whirlysplat
I gotta say people cosmic crossovers in my opinion are a waste of time as the Marvel Multiverse and thee DC Hypertime are so different. Even at non cosmic level when we start discussing character based on a "plot device" to explain ther powers we are on sticky ground, e.eg Flash's powers don't work in Marvel. Who says the monitors will or Phoenixs in DCU. Like theres no Speed force in Marvel, I don't know if the Phoenix Force is in DCU. You see its pointless 😄

Keep the Faith 🙂 enjoy all good comics 🙂

What's your power?

"I have complete control over water!"

You're fighting in a desert.

"Oh ****!"

Originally posted by Creshosk
What's your power?

"I have complete control over water!"

You're fighting in a desert.

"Oh ****!"

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