Jedi, who died and made them god?

Why is it that the republic is supposed to be a democracy and the Jedi , for some reason, have obviously nominated themselves the enforcers of it?
I mean, you got this huge Galactic Republic right and its purpose is to ( I gather) serve the greater good of the galaxy and handle all dealings to do with trade, negotiations,economy etc... but the Jedi apparently know the difference between right and wrong, good and evil and therefore take it upon themselves to settle disputes and any other issues that may involve potential violence or aggression. I get the feeling they see themselves as self appointed heroes or leaders simply because a middicloriean said so.
They say the Jedi were the guardians of peace an justice for over a 1000 yrs and yet in all that time they couldnt even take a trip out to the outer rim systems to outlaw slavery on places such as tatooine? whatssamatta? no oil to drill out there?

THe Jedi say the reason there is no " army of the republic " is because it would be too much power for one person ( chancellor ) to have and therefore dangerous.
Whereas wouldnt it be more preferable to say that we need an army of the republic because its too dangerous having these 10,000 dudes walking around with abilities beyond most normal people ( think - mind control, levitation, manipulation, seeing the future etc...) waving dangerous - ass lightsabres making decisions for the galaxy based on what a microscopic organism says?

A classic example is Qui Gon Jin, now this guys takes the cake when it comes to Jedi flouting their powers. In one episode he manages to mind trick and manipulate his way round the galaxy with scoring free subs from Gungins to saving Jar Jar from punishment which inevitably ( in EP2) leads to emergency powers to the Chancellor to form an army of the Repubic, to convincing the queen to land on Tatooine for repairs which leads to the discovery of Anakin which really f**ks the republic up, not to mention trying to mind trick his way to some ship parts with worthless republic credits to flouting the Jedi code and taking on Anakin as a padawan when he already has an apprentice....etc etc
I mean this guy is supposed to be a Jedi for gods sake and he's done nothing but use his powers to influence what HE believes the midicloreans are saying to him.
Yoda admits that there are " reckless" Jedi, even Jedi masters and if they are 10,000 strong then there's bound to be heaps of "reckless" Jedi which would have to be a concern considering the powers they have.
If you look at it the Jedi really rule by fear.

Why do we do it? because the midicloreans said so! What if we dont do it? you'll a lightsabre up your ass!

That pretty much sums it up doesnt it?

Democracy or Death, the chant of the Jedi?

Let's face it without the rebellion, peace and prosperity where much more acheivable goals for the Empire than the bloated republic and its hired jedi goons

Yea... And the decision to "save" jar jar was without any reason!

Qui Gon: "We need a navigator to get through the planet's core. This gungan might be of a help".

5 minutes passes...

Jarjar: "Where are wesa going?"
Qui Gon: "The force will guide us."

DUH! 😠

Interesting argument. However, if you're not going to trust the Jedi's insight, why have them at all? Because, no one is perfect. No person can clearly know what the Force wants. There are times where Jedi foresight is horribly wrong, but same goes for Sith. They feel and then act according to what they believe the Force desires. Palpatine, Yoda, all of them believed in their ways. They all felt the Force was guiding them.

Listen, bud. The Jedi, and Sith, are beings above normal people. They deserve special treatment. The Jedi, and Sith, deserve to rule the galaxy. Their power sets them apart from lesser beings. Their destinies were prescribed by the Force. They will determine what that destiny is. And, along the way, they will face opposition from narrow-minded individual's with the same ideas as you posted. Those people caused all the strife. Not the Jedi or Sith. The weaklings who were jealous of the Jedi's and Sith's powers.

Master C'baoth has already spoken on this matter. I follow his guidance and it is very true. Read his words, and understand

SithFollower, I think you are taking this a little to seriously by "following guidance". It's a movie, man! Reality check!

Originally posted by Sith Follower
Interesting argument. However, if you're not going to trust the Jedi's insight, why have them at all? Because, no one is perfect. No person can clearly know what the Force wants. There are times where Jedi foresight is horribly wrong, but same goes for Sith. They feel and then act according to what they believe the Force desires. Palpatine, Yoda, all of them believed in their ways. They all felt the Force was guiding them.

Listen, bud. The Jedi, and Sith, are beings above normal people. They deserve special treatment. The Jedi, and Sith, deserve to rule the galaxy. Their power sets them apart from lesser beings. Their destinies were prescribed by the Force. They will determine what that destiny is. And, along the way, they will face opposition from narrow-minded individual's with the same ideas as you posted. Those people caused all the strife. Not the Jedi or Sith. The weaklings who were jealous of the Jedi's and Sith's powers.

Master C'baoth has already spoken on this matter. I follow his guidance and it is very true. Read his words, and understand

The Jedi are not above normal people, hence why they serve the greater good of the people i.e.the republic
And like you say, there are times where the Jedi's foresight is horribly wrong but the impact of a Jedis mistake far outweighs the shortsightfullness of a normal person, couple their "clouded" decisions with thier " arrogance" you end up with rogue Jedi such as Qui Gon who take it upon themselves, in defiance, to be reckless with their decision making and in doing so cause immense damage upon those they serve.

Yoda speaks of the future always being "emotions", and this is a normal human trait not specific to Jedi.
Anakin had immense problems with his emotions, once again a trait shared by both Jedi and normal people alike.
In fact, it has been Anakins inability to deal with his emotions that heavily contributed to the downfall of the Republic so by this reckoning we could probably surmise it was, in fact, the normal emotions of normal people that Jedi appear to have the most trouble in dealing with hence why the are deffinatly not above normal people, they could probably learn more from normal people instead of relying on midicloreans.

Jabbar, it was a book.

And to you spekdah, your words have truth to them. The Jedi attempt to deny and hide emotions. This was most evident in Anakin. Even Mace fell to his emotions. However, that emotion is power. You can't let it control you. If you control that emotion, you get power. But, to the topic, the mistakes of Jedis are equal to the good of Jedi. A Jedi destroyed the Republic, and a Jedi rebuilt it. If it had not been for the Jedi, I doubt the Vong would've had much trouble.

Jedi can make serious blunders, but they can do majorly important and helpful things. In a sense, they are gods; gods who are a roll of the dice. You might get a Yoda or Fisto to set order, or you might get an Anakin or Malek who will bring chaos.

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This is ridiculous.

The Jedi don't assume power. They are GIVEN it by the Republic.

Qui-Gon didn't use hios powers to cheat anyone, else he would have tried to get the ship part of free, not just o give (perfectly valid) currency for it. He used it to help him talk his way through things, on a mission authotised by the Chancellor himself!

Originally posted by Ushgarak
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This is ridiculous.

The Jedi don't assume power. They are GIVEN it by the Republic.

Qui-Gon didn't use hios powers to cheat anyone, else he would have tried to get the ship part of free, not just o give (perfectly valid) currency for it. He used it to help him talk his way through things, on a mission authotised by the Chancellor himself!

He was giving Watto useless credits, at least for Watto... What would he have done with that money? He loved money he would have taken it if it could have given him a profit.

Saying that Qui Gon was fault that the Republic fell because of him discovering Anakin is completely wrong. If Anakin wouldn't have been found, then nobody would have known that Palpatine was the real sith lord and troublemaker of the galaxy until it would have been too late. Nobody would have been there to tell the jedi that Palpatine was going to overthrow the republic, even if Anakin turned to the dark side in the movie, he was the one to destroy Palpatine. And if Anakin wouldn't have been there, then the jedi wouldn't have known of any betrayal until order 66. The jedi have a very big responsability on their shoulders. If they are not able to control their emotions properly, they would fall to the dark side imediately. A normal every-day person can be as greedy and power hungry as he wants, but if a jedi just has a tiny little bit of these feelings, then they will fall. The jedi are not controlling the republic or the senate, they are there to serve both of them. And to say that the empire caused more order in the galaxy than the old republic might be true, but the cost is that the freedom of every single person in the galaxy is reduced to nothing but a word. And why the jedi couldn't stop slavery in the outer rim? I have a question for you: how many planets do you think has the republic? Thousands more than there are jedi! The jedi aren't able to solve every problem in the galaxy but they do what they can. Without the jedi the republic would have crumbled much earlier.

You have to look at the big picture. Qui-Gon getting Queen Amidala to Coruscant was more important than Watto having money for instance.

Oh yes of course, but the Jedi that claim to never hurt anybody willingly sure do hurt a lot of people for the greater good, thats not the Jedi way. Fact is Jedi are thinking to highly of themselves. Think they can do whatever they want and are more important then other people just because they are Jedi.

Well, yeah but it is better for the majority of the people to have them around then not to...

Are you so sure? The Jedi have spawned many threaths for the Republic, lets not forget that the True Sith have died out and that every mayor threat against the republic now comes from Jedi. Without Jedi those things would still appear but the wars would be less draining and people would be more equipped for it.

Jedi have an amazing power, maybe even to much..

Originally posted by Emperor Revan
You have to look at the big picture. Qui-Gon getting Queen Amidala to Coruscant was more important than Watto having money for instance.

the picture was in fact bigger than just Amidala getting to Coruscant.
OB1 felt it, right at the beginning of Ep1 he says" I have a bad feeling about this, its not the mission its something else" " elusive".
He is told by Qui Gon not to "centre on his ideas " and to live "here and now", Ob1 then comments that master Yoda told him to "mindful of the future" but Qui Gon tells him"not at the expense of the moment".

Right here you get an insight of the recklessness of Qui Gon, he is in fact telling his Padawan to ignore what Yoda says about the force and yet had Qui Gon been "mindful" as his Padawan was he could have been less clouded in his foresight for his decisions on critical future events.

Yes there was a "bigger Picture" Ob1 felt it right at the beginning.

With all the evidence put forward you could almost ask the question , was Qui Gon ( knowingly or not) being influenced but the darkside.

His master ( Dooku) went to the darkside.
He was reckless and defiant which is why he was never accepted onto the Jedi council.
Qui Gon also wanted to break the Jedi code to train Anakin when he knew this wouldnt be allowed and in doing so he showed nothing but disrespect for the Jedi council, code, Anakin ( by promising he would become a Jedi when his insight was so sure the council would approve the training and they didnt therefore leaving Anankin with a bitter taste of rejection). OB1 by pushing him aside to train anakin without completing OB1's training which OB1 had worked hard and devoted his entire life to.
In fact if you look at Qui Gon you can draw a few parrallels with Anakin with his lack of vision, recklessness and rushing o f events to the point where Qui Gon is almost responsible for the events that happen.

The whole point is that Qui-Gon was reckless BUT he was ultimately right. These are GL's words.

"He was giving Watto useless credits, at least for Watto... What would he have done with that money? He loved money he would have taken it if it could have given him a profit."

Republic credits in the Republic! Watto only wouldn't accept them because he was a criminal. QGJ was well within his rights to pay for them that way.

I see no evidence that Jedi think of themselves as better just because they are Jedi- though to be sure, they ARE better,

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The whole point is that Qui-Gon was reckless BUT he was ultimately right. These are GL's words.

"He was giving Watto useless credits, at least for Watto... What would he have done with that money? He loved money he would have taken it if it could have given him a profit."

Republic credits in the Republic! Watto only wouldn't accept them because he was a criminal. QGJ was well within his rights to pay for them that way.

I see no evidence that Jedi think of themselves as better just because they are Jedi- though to be sure, they ARE better,

Watto couldn't use it, that planet didn't use Republic credits and QGJ obviously realised others wouldn't take it as well otherwise he would have tried a different store... He wanted to give Watto credits to just not be all bad.

And this really isn't about QGJ its about the Jedi in General, even Yoda realises there are a few Jedi that have gone overboard with how important they are. In kotor a lot of people hate the Jedi becuase they seem to start wars, sacrifise lives do whatever they think is best and get away with it. They don't have to answer to anybody. Jedi can do a lot of stuff that others can't and they should answer with that power to a few people. They don't understandable on their half, but not really something to do when you claim to help others and work for them. Its hard for people to understand them if you don't explain why you do what you do.

in AOTC Yoda just goes and collects an army made for the republic, what right did he have to do that? He didn't talk to anybody of the Republic with it, he just did it. Yes perhaps it was for the greater good but was it really something he should have done without asking anybody for permission?

Fact is the Jedi do what they want and what they think is right, and that is not always something people will have to agree with and they do not always have to be right. The Jedi make tons of mistakes and many of them just don't seem to realise it.

The planet SHOULD have been accepting credits, legally. But Watto spends his whole time dealing with criminals. Refusing QGJs currency was wrong of Watto. QGJ was in his rights to use it. Like I say, he didn't try to steal the part, or anyhting similar. He was ONLY interested in fair exchange.

Who the hell says that Jedi don't have to answer to anyone? This is total fiction!

"in AOTC Yoda just goes and collects an army made for the republic, what right did he have to do that? He didn't talk to anybody of the Republic with it, he just did it. Yes perhaps it was for the greater good but was it really something he should have done without asking anybody for permission?"

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Did you watch the film? PALPATINE- and the Senate- authorised the use of that army! Egad, at least try and put a little effort into this. That's really poor. The first thing they do with it is go to rescue Jedi and a Senator held captive by a planet where a conspiracy to destroy the Republic has just been put together!

Your final paragraph- a simple lie. It is not reflected at any point in the films.

I cannot believe the spurious nonsense being spouted around here about the Jedi, of late. Everyone is getting this 'I know better than the Jedi' attitude. Like hell you do.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The planet SHOULD have been accepting credits, legally. But Watto spends his whole time dealing with criminals. Refusing QGJs currency was wrong of Watto. QGJ was in his rights to use it. Like I say, he didn't try to steal the part, or anyhting similar. He was ONLY interested in fair exchange.

Who the hell says that Jedi don't have to answer to anyone? This is total fiction!

"in AOTC Yoda just goes and collects an army made for the republic, what right did he have to do that? He didn't talk to anybody of the Republic with it, he just did it. Yes perhaps it was for the greater good but was it really something he should have done without asking anybody for permission?"

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Did you watch the film? PALPATINE- and the Senate- authorised the use of that army! Egad, at least try and put a little effort into this. That's really poor. The first thing they do with it is go to rescue Jedi and a Senator held captive by a planet where a conspiracy to destroy the Republic has just been put together!

Your final paragraph- a simple lie. It is not reflected at any point in the films.

I cannot believe the spurious nonsense being spouted around here about the Jedi, of late. Everyone is getting this 'I know better than the Jedi' attitude. Like hell you do.

As hilarious as that was, i feel i need to critisize it.

It is a known fact that the Jedi play the Self-proclaimed Super heroes. And yes, alot of us do know better than the jedi, because we aren't using our lightsabers to butt into everyones sodding business, are we? The Jedi are weak little sissy boys. They need a damned army to take care of their business? Since they are oh so knowledgable and wise, why don't they just spawn more Jedi? What, they don't deal out the effort to train freakin' Jedi anymore? Oh wait, i remember now.... YOU HAVE TO BE A F*CKING CHOSEN ONE TO BECOME A HALF-DECENT JEDI! Or wait.... MAYBE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MIDICHLORIANS MIGHT HELP!!!!?!?? For christs sake, wake up. All the Jedi do is ramble on about how dangerous their Jedi are. Maybe if they weren't such a pompous ******* to Anakin and let him do some missions and grant him rank of master (which he damned well deserved) then maybe he would'nt have became Darth Vader and maybe he wouldn't have slaughtered thousands or blown a handful of planets up.

Mace: Sorry Anakin, we do not grant you the rank of master because you had your personal opinion.
Anakin: That's pretty shitty.
Mace: BUT you can hop aboard the council.
Anakin: What does that help? Didn't i just finish bitching about how much i hate politics and countless babble?
Mace: That's why we do not grant you a master.
Anakin: THEN WHY SHOVE ME ON THE COUNCIL, YOU DUMB SHIT?!!?
Mace: Oh my lord... You are growing too angry, my son! Normal human emotions aren't allowed in the Jedi. Did i mention that includes love?
Anakin:ACK! SCREW YOU!

Anakin: Oh hey Mace. Where you headed?
Mace: To place Palpatine under arrest!
Anakin: Can i come with you?
Mace: No, you stay here and sit on your ass and wait.
Anakin: Why can't i come?
Mace: This mission is far too dangerous for such a weak Jedi like you. Sorry, son.
Anakin:Wait until i chop your friggin wrists off, assface!
Mace: What was that?
Anakin: I coughed, stupid. I'll just sit here and get more mad.
Mace: No problem, just try not to become the most dangerous Sith Lord ever because of me, hey?
Anakin: What?
Mace: Just a cough, Any, just a cough.
Anakin: Whatever, ******.