Jedi, who died and made them god?

Did you ignore every word Mace said?
"In the name of the Galactic Senate of the Republic, you are under arrest, Chansellor".
"You are under arrest, my lord"

And the lightsaber is not the weapon of the jedi, it's their tool. Mace was informed that Palpatine was a sith lord, and the intentions of a lightsaber is not to kill. Him igniting it is for security purpous, not attack.....

Giving everyone the right to do whatever they wanted would **** up the world. People would go around killing eachother and before anyone could say stop, everyone would be dead. There are limits....
Have you ever watched shows like "Cops" or something, where they film cops in action? They force people into their cars then drive them down to the station, against the thiefs will. Did they do anything wrong? No, they did their job, as do the jedi. Obi-Wan made a weak-minded fool a favour by ENSURING he would get a better life. Why let him ruin himself and continue to do illegal business (which the jedi would stop him from doing, or any other police of that kind) when he can simply give him a better life....

Originally posted by kamikz
Did you ignore every word Mace said?
"In the name of the Galactic Senate of the Republic, you are under arrest, Chansellor".
"You are under arrest, my lord"

And the lightsaber is not the weapon of the jedi, it's their tool. Mace was informed that Palpatine was a sith lord, and the intentions of a lightsaber is not to kill. Him igniting it is for security purpous, not attack.....

Giving everyone the right to do whatever they wanted would **** up the world. People would go around killing eachother and before anyone could say stop, everyone would be dead. There are limits....
Have you ever watched shows like "Cops" or something, where they film cops in action? They force people into their cars then drive them down to the station, against the thiefs will. Did they do anything wrong? No, they did their job, as do the jedi. Obi-Wan made a weak-minded fool a favour by ENSURING he would get a better life. Why let him ruin himself and continue to do illegal business (which the jedi would stop him from doing, or any other police of that kind) when he can simply give him a better life....

In all of those situations the people who break the law still had a choice. It was their choice to break the law. It was their choice to resist arrest. To mess with someone's mind to make them do something, is taking away the choice they have to do it. You take away the choice, then you take away free will. Many times people are say that they are forced to do things against their own free will. But how often is that realy true. If someone puts a gun to your head. You still got two choices. You can resist and risk getting shot. Or you can do what they tell you to do.

Messing with someone's mind however and forcing them to do what you want them to do robs them of that free will. They get no choice in the matter. Nor do they realize that it is happening to them.

OMGWTFBBQ!!! OBI WAN DIDN'T ARREST THE FOOL BUT FORCED HIM TO THINK!!! THAT IS INSANE!! HOW COULD HE DO SUCH A THING!!!
Seriously, you must be joking, right?

Originally posted by Jam-Jul_Lison
First off. Mace went with the intention to kill Palpatine. Who drew their lightsaber first? Mace or Palpatine? Who activated their lightsaber first? Mace or Palpatine?

As for the death stick dealer. Illegal or not. He uses the force to mess with his mind. He did not give the man a choice on if he wanted to rethink his life or not. Free will is the ability to make choices. Some people make good choices and some people make bad choices. But it is still there choice to make. If someone makes a bad choice and breaks the law. Then they get arrested. But it was still their choice to break the law.

The freedom to choose is one of the principles that America was founded on. The freedom to choose is my right as an American. It is a right I refuse to give up. It is a right I will stick up for until the day I die.

What is it that is so weird and strange about you?

The alternative was to deprive him of his liberty. What free will is involved there, if he no longer has a life of his own to choose about? This 'Unamerican' nonsense is the height of idiocy. Just so much adolescent blah.

Your stancw is hopelessly immoral, which is presumably why you have issues with the Jedi, who ARE moral.

Burn!

Jam-Jul, you are either a) an idiot, b) an anarchist, or c) severely confused. Congrats.

It is not your right, as everyone else has said, to sell or use illegal drugs.

Am I right?

Kenobi, being a Jedi, does in fact know better than this drug dealer. Kenobi was busy, yes, you accepted that. Dealing with the assassin was more important than dealing with some petty drug dealer. But in the Republic, deathsticks are illegal. Just like heroin in the States. The government has taken away his 'right' to use drugs before he was even born. So, all Kenobi did was act as an extension of that law. Jedi are super policemen, after all. They don't just fight wars for the Republic.

Plus, if Kenobi had arrested the fellow for doing the drugs and peddling them, all that would have happened is that the guy would go to prison, then rehab, where he would be convinced to stop anyways. Kenobi skipped it all and just made him stop using/selling Deathsticks. I don't see any issue there. Elan was breaking the law, Kenobi was making him stop breaking the law.

In the case of Windu vs. Palpatine, you have to look at it this way. Can you recall any Sith Lords who would willingly come quietly without fuss after having started wars, ended millions of lives with said war, and was about to put into action his plans to take over the Galaxy? Windu knew that Palpatine would resist arrest, and was prepared to defend himself. If they had come in there to kill him, they would have drawn their lightsabers and jumped on him right away. Windu only decided to kill Palpatine after the Sith had killed three other Jedi and was trying to kill him.

Police officers work the same way. They can't fire guns until they have been fired upon. But they can have their guns ready, can't they?

I am willing to drop what I said about the Windu thing. Though I think he was hoping Palpatine would put a fight.

"Jam-Jul, you are either a) an idiot, b) an anarchist, or c) severely confused. Congrats."

A. I am not an idiot. I just believe no one had the right to mind rape someone. Which is pretty much what Obi-Wan did.

B. I am not an anarchist. I do not wish for chaos or anything. I just believe a person's right to choose. Not everyone makes the right choices. But that is just part of free will. You may not agree with that choice but it is still their choice to make.

C. Hmm confused? Not realy. I just think it if f*cked up to rob someone of their right to choose.

You believe that people should have the right to choose things that are detrimental to them and to society?

You believe that rapists should have the "choice" to rape another human?

Murderers should have the "choice" to murder another human?

Originally posted by Escape81
You believe that people should have the right to choose things that are detrimental to them and to society?

You believe that rapists should have the "choice" to rape another human?

Murderers should have the "choice" to murder another human?

While I myself believe those things are wrong to do. It is still there right to choose to do those things. Odds are those people will end up and jail and will get definitly get there just deserts while they are locked up. Not to mention they will also be judged when they die. When people do something to hurt someone, it will always come back to get them in the end.

Originally posted by Jam-Jul_Lison
While I myself believe those things are wrong to do. It is still there right to choose to do those things. Odds are those people will end up and jail and will get definitly get there just deserts while they are locked up. Not to mention they will also be judged when they die. When people do something to hurt someone, it will always come back to get them in the end.

you mean karma?

Originally posted by Blaxican Hydra
you mean karma?

Selling the death sicks was illegal. And Obi-Wan had every right to arrest him and bring him to the courts. However he had absolutley no right to mess with the guys head, even if it was for the greater good. I understand that under the time restraints Kenobi couldnt arrest him, but that still doesnt give him the right to force the guy to stop selling them.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Selling the death sicks was illegal. And Obi-Wan had every right to arrest him and bring him to the courts. However he had absolutley no right to mess with the guys head, even if it was for the greater good. I understand that under the time restraints Kenobi couldnt arrest him, but that still doesnt give him the right to force the guy to stop selling them.

Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
He did have a right to do that, it may be morally questionable at best but Elan completely deserved it for selling death sticks. Like Rex said, Kenobi was being an extension of the law at the time he used the mind trick on him. Sure arresting him may have been correct, but Obi-Wan went through the fastest alternative available for him. And I quote, "Elan was breaking the law, Kenobi was making him stop breaking the law."

What Kenobi was doing is changing someones life the way he saw fit. Yes Elans lifestyle was bad but it was his choice to live that sort of life. Obi-Wan had no right to go there and change it the way he saw fit. The best he should have done was arrested him and taken him to the court.

And Obi-Wan knew absolutley nothing about this guy. For all we know he could have been an undercover cop, and Obi-Wan just screwed up some important undercover mission. Jedi arent god, and they shouldnt be able to change peoples lives the way they see fit. The law is there to punish wrong doers, the jedi are merely peace keepers.

Yeah! Dookus the only god!

Originally posted by Blaxican Hydra
Yeah! Dookus the only god!

HAHAHAHA AMEN!!!! 😱 😱

Originally posted by Rampant ox
What Kenobi was doing is changing someones life the way he saw fit. Yes Elans lifestyle was bad but it was his choice to live that sort of life. Obi-Wan had no right to go there and change it the way he saw fit. The best he should have done was arrested him and taken him to the court.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
And Obi-Wan knew absolutley nothing about this guy. For all we know he could have been an undercover cop, and Obi-Wan just screwed up some important undercover mission. Jedi arent god, and they shouldnt be able to change peoples lives the way they see fit. The law is there to punish wrong doers, the jedi are merely peace keepers.

Originally posted by Jam-Jul_Lison
First off. Mace went with the intention to kill Palpatine. Who drew their lightsaber first? Mace or Palpatine? Who activated their lightsaber first? Mace or Palpatine?

As for the death stick dealer. Illegal or not. He uses the force to mess with his mind. He did not give the man a choice on if he wanted to rethink his life or not. Free will is the ability to make choices. Some people make good choices and some people make bad choices. But it is still there choice to make. If someone makes a bad choice and breaks the law. Then they get arrested. But it was still their choice to break the law.

The freedom to choose is one of the principles that America was founded on. The freedom to choose is my right as an American. It is a right I refuse to give up. It is a right I will stick up for until the day I die.

The coke and heroine dealers made a choice to break the law.

The police made a choice to join the force and protect society.

Society made the choice to create Human Rights and punish those who deprived others of them undeservingly.

Society also came up with the laws that the populace needed to follow, in order for those Human Rights to be protected. One of those many laws happens to be "Do not distribute, use, or sell illegal narcotics." When the man who broke that law is caught, he is accordingly punished by the very society who came up with the God-given Right of Freedom of Choice. He is receiving his just deserves.

In claiming that it is wrong to punish a man for committing a crime against society and the Rights of Humans, you are in fact disregarding the very moral fabric that you claim to uphold.

In reality your a hypocrite.

In Star Wars, Obi-Wan pulled a mercy card on him. He excused Elan of arrest, trial, fine, and sentence, and went straight to rehab. For a little mind-tampering, that's not a bad deal. Alot of smokers here on Earth would like that.

Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
Amorality, wonderful. Just so you know, he told the man to go "go home and rethink his life". Which means that in the long run he did have a choice.

But its not up to Obi-Wan to make the man rethink his life. Obi-Wan was entitled to areest the man and bring him to justice, nothing more. He certainly isnt meant to bring the law into his own hands and tamper with someones mind and free will to what he sees fit.

Undercover cop...? What the flaming Hell? I never said Jedi were gods, and they're taught to uphold peace, justice and security in the Republic, even if it does mean having to mind trick a thousand people out of dealing death sticks.

Again,a jedi has every right to arrest all the wrong doers and bring them to the courts for justice. However the jedi arent the courts, therefore they have no right to deal out punishments the way they see fit. No, what Kenobi did to Elan wasnt really a punishment, yet he had no right to mess with the guys head.

But did the guy learn a lesson? That is part of the point of the whole justice system. He also manipulated the guys mind. Now come on now. Would you like someone to manipulate your mind? Hell I can see the guy eventualy figuring out what happened and trying to hunt down the guy that messed with his mind.

Also as Ox said, he could have been an undercover cop and screwed the guys mission up. If you think about it. That was a realy nice club. I do not see a dealer realy trying to sell drugs in a place like that. Especialy not just saying it out of the blue to Obi-Wan. That sounds more like the behavior of an undercover cop.

Also the guy could have also been there to meet up with a realy hot chick. It is possible that Obi-Wan screwed him out of a chance at getting laid. Yes Obi-Wan did what he thought was right. But who is to say he knows what is best for someone. He might think he does, but that does not mean he is right. A jedi is supposed to think of the consequences of their actions. Obi-Wan did not do that. It looked like to me that the guy was just annoying Obi-Wan so he did it to get rid of him.