Mace Windu vs. Palpatine vs. Yoda

I was amazed and surprised in Episode III when mace windu beat palpatine. But then Palpatine beats Yoda! I had always thought of Yoda as by far the most powerful Jedi. I was wondering your thoughts on these duels, and of my idea that it could be a cyclical pattern, like rock paper scissors.

Mace beats Palpatine
Palpatine beats Yoda
Yoda beats Mace

? What do you think of this idea?

Mace vs. Palps was a pure lightsaber battle. Palpatine vs. Yoda was a mixture of lightsabers and the force. I would say Yoda outclassed Palpatine in lightsabers because if Palpatine could simply demolish Yoda in saber combat, I'm sure he would have. But instead, he had to keep some distance from the little green guy and throw pods at him to keep him away.

good point. So in a test of force ability the emperor could beat mace? But because mace was only swordfighting he won? Mace did invent Vapaad form 7, he is one of the best swordsmen ever. This is a good explanation.

In lightsaber combat it is:

Yoda > Mace > Palpatine

In force use that would be:
Yoda > Palpatine > Mace

Yoda didn't lose to Palpatine in RotS. Palpatine just wanted to run away from Yoda and than only gets lucky because of the fighting area and Yoda losing his lightsaber when deflecting Palpatine force lightning. Throwing them to some sort of arena where no one can use "higher position" and Yoda will cut Palpatine into tiny little pieces.

good point on the higher ground-but i still feel the emperor is more powerful than Yoda. Otherwise, why wouldn't Yoda try to fight him again? And why couldn't he sense the chancellor's intentions all along unless Palpatine had a superior force ability to hide them.

Originally posted by Darth Crazo
good point on the higher ground-but i still feel the emperor is more powerful than Yoda. Otherwise, why wouldn't Yoda try to fight him again? And why couldn't he sense the chancellor's intentions all along unless Palpatine had a superior force ability to hide them.

Yoda wouldn't try to fight him again because it would be Yoda vs. Palpatine, Vader and the whole Empire. Not to mention that the Emperor told the senat that the Jedi had tried to kill him without any reason.

And Yoda couldn't sense the chancellor's intentions because the chancellor used old Sith techniques to appear as a person without any force power. That would not help him in head to head combat besides that he is a crappy lightsaber fighter (most likely form VI user pff...).

Why wouldn't Yoda want to fight him again? Simple. After ROTS, Palpatine had the whole empire watching his back. There wouldn't be another chance for Yoda to fight him one on one. Exactly the same reason why Palpatine chose not to challenge Yoda before ROTS. Because Yoda had the whole Jedi Order behind him. No chance for a one on one fight.

No. the reason is the same as yoda said in the movie and elaborated in the ROTS novel: "Failed I have." He and Ben simply are not powerful enough to face the 2 great Sith Lords again. So they have to wait for Luke and Leia to grow.

Yoda proved he was able to match sidious. Watch the fight. Sidious was backing away from Yoda the whole time.

Originally posted by Darth Crazo
No. the reason is the same as yoda said in the movie and elaborated in the ROTS novel: "Failed I have." He and Ben simply are not powerful enough to face the 2 great Sith Lords again. So they have to wait for Luke and Leia to grow.

LOL...sorry...
Not powerful enough ?
Palpatine ran away from Yoda after being force pulled by Yoda through the entire room. He has no chance in direct combat and even no chance in matching Yodas force powers.

I think they're a pretty good match. But you're right. Watch the fight. WHO WINS?

Palpatine could pull this off I think

I was under the impression that Mace is a better swordsman than Yoda, but Yoda is more powerful with the force, more experienced and generally wiser.

Yoda... Sidious would most likely be distracted by Mace, and I feel the only way Sidious would stand a chance against yoda is to only focus only on him... So Sidious would go down and then a battle between Yoda and Mace... I think yoda would pull this one off...

No, Mantis, read my first post, you don't understand the meaning of this thread. But good idea though. But my point was why is it that when Yoda is more powerful than mace, palpatine beats yoda but not mace.

GL does contradict himself - from time to time.

But you are 100% right.

THis fight will completely be owned by the Jedi(s)
Yoda and Mace will obviously team-up.......

And then Yoda vs. Mace has already been discussed, mace winned....

same reply to immortalone as mantis

My opinion still doesn't change...

good. never give up