Originally posted by Nephthys
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"Are the entries in the Holocron sorted as canonical & non-canonical? Are there various degrees of "officialness"?"
"The database does indeed have a canon field for each individual entry and for sources, though the canon level of the entry would override the canon level of the source since it factors in other sources associated with that entry. When determining canon levels for individual entries, anything in the films and from George Lucas (including unpublished internal notes that we might receive from him or from the film production department) is considered "G" canon. "T" canon comprises the theatrical release of The Clone Wars and The Clone Wars television series. The planned live-action television series would also likely fall under "T" canon."
-Leland Chee
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
And apparently he outdid Sidious w/ the Force as well. The positioning leading to the fall was what lead to Yoda's failure. In no way did Sidious outperform Yoda in a combat sense.
Originally posted by Arhael
Shot down Yoda with lightning right at the beginning.
Toyed multiple platforms laughably, while Yoda had to heavily concentrate and grimace on a single one.
The positioning didn't let to Yuda's failure. He used his last reserves to block that Force lightning. He didn't have any strength left to even slow his fall, he was Force exhausted by that time. If he did not fall down, Palpatine probably would have finished him.
I'm not sure if you want to pursue the subject from this standpoint.
By the same token, in the movie we see that the moment Yoda starts to bend Sidious's FL, the Emperor has "OH Sh*t!" look on his face. Doesn't it indicate that he was being overpowered?
BTW. The single pod Yoda pushed, he did it against gravity. Sidious did not even attempt to block it.
I hardly see Yoda being overwhelemed anywhere in the fight, as you put it:
Originally posted by Arhael Palpatine probably would have finished him
Originally posted by axel_jovanIt's actually good point about gravity. But I prefer to think about it as Yoda using Force more wisely rather, than overpowering as he dodged several platforms until Palpatine presumably got tired and then threw one himself.
I'm not sure if you want to pursue the subject from this standpoint.
By the same token, in the movie we see that the moment Yoda starts to bend Sidious's FL, the Emperor has "OH Sh*t!" look on his face. Doesn't it indicate that he was being overpowered?BTW. The single pod Yoda pushed, he did it against gravity. Sidious did not even attempt to block it.
I hardly see Yoda being overwhelemed anywhere in the fight, as you put it:
Well, if they weren't blown apart, Yoda probably would have bent FL in Sidious's face. 😎
Originally posted by Arhael
Shot down Yoda with lightning right at the beginning.
Ragdolled across the room by Yoda's Force push.
Originally posted by Arhael
Toyed multiple platforms laughably, while Yoda had to heavily concentrate and grimace on a single one.
Stopped mid flight (against gravity), manipulated, and thrown right back at Sidious who in turn tuck-tailed it out of there ("oh shit" look and all).
Originally posted by Arhael
The positioning didn't let to Yoda's failure. He used his last reserves to block that Force lightning. He didn't have any strength left to even slow his fall, he was Force exhausted by that time. If he did not fall down, Palpatine probably would have finished him.
If he didn't fall, in all likelihood, he would have finished Sidious. Sidious' best efforts (specifically his FL) were was shoved back in his face - TWICE!
Stopped mid flight (against gravity), manipulated, and thrown right back at Sidious who in turn tuck-tailed it out of there ("oh shit" look and all).
How? 😑 How would he have finished Sidious? He didn't have strength left even to slow his fall. No weapon either. Force exhausted, small and ancient creature. Sidious would choke him with bare hands, if we don't count possibility of another lightning burst.
If he didn't fall, in all likelihood, he would have finished Sidious.
Basically Sidious evened the odds by disarming Yoda with the FL blast while he was in a mid-leap.
I think Yoda got unlucky there. He disarmed Sidious by just being a much better swordsman, and as long as he had his Saber he was going to win. Losing that is what cost him the fight Imo.
Of course it looked like he was going to win the Force battle as well (though obviously this was much closer than the Saber fight). But again Yoda got unlucky by being in a worse position hence falling further.
JT
Ragdolled across the room by Yoda's Force push.
One was on his feet in seconds, the other was unconscious and drooling on the floor.
JT
Stopped mid flight (against gravity), manipulated, and thrown right back at Sidious who in turn tuck-tailed it out of there ("oh shit" look and all).
...After indulging in hysterical laughter, so at ease was he.
JT
If he didn't fall, in all likelihood, he would have finished Sidious. Sidious' best efforts (specifically his FL) were was shoved back in his face - TWICE!
Yoda was knocked unconscious, casually disarmed, and sent plummeting hundreds of feet to the Senate floor and slinked away in utter defeat. I reject your conclusion, sir. excellent
DP
Basically Sidious evened the odds by disarming Yoda with the FL blast while he was in a mid-leap.
This is inaccurate; Yoda had landed and brandished his lightsaber in a two-handed grip when Sidious relieved him of it.