IG vs Phoenix Force (highest avatars)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Isnt that powerful? So how do you explain Jean saving the multiverse from an artifact more powerful than the IG?

How do you explain Jean holding Eternity in her hand and healing the 616 universe and restructuring its timeline?

What's your point? Warlock and Thanos have both destroyed a timeline - the Magus'. Time? Chronos controls time. He used time as a weapon against Thanos; Thanos still kicked his ass with no more than a gesture. Holding Eternity in her hand? Thanos stomped Eternity. He only became one with the universe because he subconsciously gave up power. Nebula had the IG when Eternity was captured; she herself didn't become one with the universe.

Death, Eternity, Galactus, Chaos, Order, Stranger, Celestials, Eon, etc. were all prisonners of Thanos. IG > then all these beings.

And what artifact are you talking about that's greater than the IG?

How do you explain the fact that the force of creation behind phoenix the one which jean as white crown phoenix has a special relationship with, is behind the creation of the multiverse and behind the creation of the abstracts, eternity, infinity, galactus etc? AS STATED IN THE COMICS IM AFRAID.

Behind the creation? Galactus existed before the known universe. Eternity and Death came from the birth of the new universe along with Galactus. Phoenix wasn't responsible for anything.

Created? Thanos with the HOTU destroyed the Multiverse. If it created the Multiverse, where was it when Thanos destroyed it? LT, Eternity, Infinity, etc. showed up? Where was it's creator if it truly did create the Multiverse.

Those previously mentioned abstracts were deemed powerful enough and important enough for Thanos to face down and put in their place in his quest for dominance yet the being who created them and and all of existence (AS PER CURRENT CONTINUITY.) wasnt given a look in. Doesnt make sense does it?

Blah blah blah. An X-Title against the amounts of titles from IG sagas to The End, Infinity Watch, Dr. Strange, X-titles, Thor, Avengers, etc. Wow, you've proven nothing. Continituity in an X-title? So? Other titles don't count?

She didn't create anything. Your overrating her powers.

Oh i like this Beyonder good show!! I see you've taken my advice and actually researched before you've contributed. Will wonders never cease?!! Its an improvement nonetheless. Either way let the punking commence:

"What's your point? Warlock and Thanos have both destroyed a timeline "

Destroying a timeline and restructuring one are a bit different im afraid. One requires skill and finesse the other is just standard fare for your average flavour of the month cosmic. Phoenix dd this on a whim and from outside time and space while holding eternity in the palm of her hand. Damn that girls got style.

" Death, Eternity, Galactus, Chaos, Order, Stranger, Celestials, Eon, etc. were all prisonners of Thanos. IG > then all these beings. "

Mere creations of the primal force of phoenix. Phoenix creates millions of these for each of the universes that make up the multiverse. Thanos had a ruck with some of them in A universe and bested them after a little tussle. Oh well. Lets see how he'd fare against the force behind them and their million or so counterparts.

"And what artifact are you talking about that's greater than the IG?"

The M'Kraan crystal of course B. Nexus of all realities? Multiversal reset switch? Not ringing any bells? Damn that comic book knowledge isnt quite up to scratch is it? Its getting there though. Dont give up on it.

"Behind the creation? Galactus existed before the known universe. Eternity and Death came from the birth of the new universe along with Galactus. Phoenix wasn't responsible for anything."

The Phoenix cyclically creates all that is and in the natural course of things destroys it to begin creation anew. Galen and his universe were created by Phoenix Im afraid. The primal force that makes phoenixes was responsible for their creation. Why are you trying to argue with whats in the comic and so very recently at that. You got a problem with CURRENT continuity. Take it up wth Marvel.

"Created? Thanos with the HOTU destroyed the Multiverse. If it created the Multiverse, where was it when Thanos destroyed it? LT, Eternity, Infinity, etc. showed up? Where was it's creator if it truly did create the Multiverse."

The phoenixes exist in the white hot room which is BEYOND the multiverse, BEYOND our plane of existence. It encompasses all that is. (Its in the comics so please dont try and argue im just telling you how it is.) Thanos destroyed the multiverse? So what. Phoenix created it. The power to create far exceeds the power to destroy. Eternity and so on showed up right? Well id expect so considering theyre apart of said multiverse. HOTU gave Thanos ultimate control over a creation of Phoenix. It made him one with it. Yet its power or influence dont extend into the white hot room which is beyond the actuality Thanos ruled.

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Blah blah blah. An X-Title against the amounts of titles from IG sagas to The End, Infinity Watch, Dr. Strange, X-titles, Thor, Avengers, etc. Wow, you've proven nothing. Continituity in an X-title? So? Other titles don't count? "

God you're still harping on about the IG sagas and references from the 90's 🙄

Its a shame they were written during the Phoenix retcon period because otherwise you'd actually have a point.

As i said to KG its kind of like the beyonder retcon. He humbled the multiverse one minute and next thing he was getting punked by Thanos in recent showings. You just have to accept current continuity im afraid. One X-title? Try Xtitles and FF. It was a good try tho.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Destroying a timeline and restructuring one are a bit different im afraid. One requires skill and finesse the other is just standard fare for your average flavour of the month cosmic. Phoenix dd this on a whim and from outside time and space while holding eternity in the palm of her hand. Damn that girls got style.

Your point is what? That's what they did. They were outside of time and destroyed a timeline.

Chronos used time to attack Thanos. Thanos easily attacked back. Time and space is under the IG's control. Fixing time isn't that hard. The IG killed half the universe with a thought; Warlock with a thought fixed everything and put it back in it's place with the IG.

Eternity? Your point is what now? Warlock dimissed Eternity altogether along with a host of other beings including Death.

Mere creations of the primal force of phoenix. Phoenix creates millions of these for each of the universes that make up the multiverse. Thanos had a ruck with some of them in A universe and bested them after a little tussle. Oh well. Lets see how he'd fare against the force behind them and their million or so counterparts.

The force behind them? One book and you seem to thing it stands as evidence. Well, there's dozens of books and titles that says other wise. PF ain't responsible for any of their creation.

The M'Kraan crystal of course B. Nexus of all realities? Multiversal reset switch? Not ringing any bells? Damn that comic book knowledge isnt quite up to scratch is it? Its getting there though. Dont give up on it.

The M'Krann Crystal is a big blackhole. What's your point? It sucks things in. Phoenix fixing it isn't much. The one who bothered with it was Phoenix. Nobody else really cared to intervene.

If Phoenix gave a damn about the multiverse, it would've stepped in when Thanos had the HOTU. LT, Eternity, Infinity intervened. Where the hell was Phoenix during this time? The HOTU was an actual Multiverse level threat.

The Phoenix cyclically creates all that is and in the natural course of things destroys it to begin creation anew. Galen and his universe were created by Phoenix Im afraid. The primal force that makes phoenixes was responsible for their creation. Why are you trying to argue with whats in the comic and so very recently at that. You got a problem with CURRENT continuity. Take it up wth Marvel.

This and that. Well, Thanos said that the Infinity Gems came from the Infinity Being who was bored of being lonely. He comitted suicide and thus the cosmos was born. The Infinity Gems came from that birth as well. Guess what? IG > Eternity, Galactus, etc.

"Created? Thanos with the HOTU destroyed the Multiverse. If it created the Multiverse, where was it when Thanos destroyed it? LT, Eternity, Infinity, etc. showed up? Where was it's creator if it truly did create the Multiverse."

The phoenixes exist in the white hot room which is BEYOND the multiverse, BEYOND our plane of existence. It encompasses all that is. (Its in the comics so please dont try and argue im just telling you how it is.) Thanos destroyed the multiverse? So what. Phoenix created it. The power to create far exceeds the power to destroy. Eternity and so on showed up right? Well id expect so considering theyre apart of said multiverse. HOTU gave Thanos ultimate control over a creation of Phoenix. It made him one with it. Yet its power or influence dont extend into the white hot room which is beyond the actuality Thanos ruled.

The M'Krann Crystal was a threat to the Multiverse. Phoenix shows up to heal it. HOTU threatens the Multiverse, Phoenix is no where in sight.
The IG was a threat to the universe and possibly the Multiverse - LT and every important being shows up except the Phoenix.

And now your claiming the HOTU as a creation of PF? :laughs:

God you're still harping on about the IG sagas and references from the 90's 🙄

Its a shame they were written during the Phoenix retcon period because otherwise you'd actually have a point.

As i said to KG its kind of like the beyonder retcon. He humbled the multiverse one minute and next thing he was getting punked by Thanos in recent showings. You just have to accept current continuity im afraid. One X-title? Try Xtitles and FF. It was a good try tho.

😆 I'm harping about IG and The End. And FF and X-Titles? 😆 Try IG sagas (IG series, IW series, IC series), The End, Dr. Strange titles, X-titles, Thor, Avengers, FF, etc. Not to mention the dozens of crossovers and such. Who the hell was really involed in the Dark Phoenix saga? Or Endsong? How crossovers and such?

As for Phoenix creating all the entities I don’t believe that.

-Death is a multiversal force it had nothing to do with the big bang. Etc

As for Phoenix created all life

That’s just you assumptions

X-Men Forever 6: Phoenix force is resurrection force; she won’t be creating the new universe.

The Phoenix force guarantees rebirth for the next universe to come.

She won’t be creating it human evolution will, human will replace eternity.

As many will die, the survivor will become Galactus of the universe.

As for she created everything that’s just an opinion no where does it state that.

Phoenix force is the force that will help the evolution chain from one Universe to another.