Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Marvel doesnt have a Christian God youre correct. It doesnt have angels and so on from what i have seen. However what im saying is that Marvel has equivalents. TOAA is Marvels equivalent of God and it is assumed that his/its power is absolute. Jean is the equivalent of a sephiroth in Marvel comics.
Since you have so painstakingly proved that Phoenix Avatars are EXACTLY like Seraphim, why would their leader be different from God? Wouldn't it make sense that they would be commanded by the head of the good, rather than the preserver of balance?
I'm a christian and I approve those things...
THe Phoenix Force is an entity that the sum of all-things in the Marvel Universe..
IMO:
Lets use a metaforre, there are 10 people (the whole universe) in 1 room (the marvel universe) and there is 1 more person in that room (PF of course) which is as strong as the other 10...
So there are 11 people, 1 is as strong as the other 10 COMBINED
So if that POWERFUL 11th dude dies or dissappear, nothing is gonna happen !!!
Get my point ??
Originally posted by ImmortalOne
I'm a christian and I approve those things...THe Phoenix Force is an entity that the sum of all-things in the Marvel Universe..
IMO:
Lets use a metaforre, there are 10 people (the whole universe) in 1 room (the marvel universe) and there is 1 more person in that room (PF of course) which is as strong as the other 10...So there are 11 people, 1 is as strong as the other 10 COMBINED
So if that POWERFUL 11th dude dies or dissappear, nothing is gonna happen !!!Get my point ??
I see what point you were trying to make but it wasnt quite right for this situation.
The primal force of creation IS life it created it and is one with it. Its essense runs through everything. Without it all life in existencewould come to an end. Hence what happened in Excalibur when Galactus tried to exorcise the force from Rachel. The stars in the universe started to die
"And if you wanna use Christian POV
Take it like this..... GOD ALMIGHTY has many seraphims, angels, and if one of them die, or even ALL of them DIE... Nothings gonna happen.... GOD CAN single-handedly CONTROL the UNIVERSE
Angels alike, are jut tools to show the LORDs power..."
The thread was directed against the phoenix. Not jean. I then had to explain to people that phoenix is the avatars. That they are created by a union with the primal forec of creation which is an aspect of God. Thats why i said this thread is basically a TOAA VS Presence thread. If the primal force of creation was vanquished which it cant be. All life would die with it. But it cant die.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
it may have parallels to the Seraphim but that doesn't mean that it is. I mean like when Supes defeated Doomsday but died in the process it has some parallels to the Crucifixion but that doesn't mean he is Jesus or he is as powerful as him.
Not only are there parallels in the role of the phoenixes and how they act in the comics. But also the phoenix stories are saturated with kaballic symbology linking the primal force of creation to TOAA. You would think that the primal force of creation was a part of god anyway. Also jeans name means that she is a vessel for the essense of god. All of those things together all but directly state that the primal force of creation which makes phoenixes is a part of TOAA.
Originally posted by Superherovandal
That is a weird coincidence with Jean's name seeing how the Phoenix wasn''t even thought up at least 10 yrs after she existed.
You've misunderstood. The phoenix entity/separate firebird wasnt thought up till 6 years after Jean became Phoenix. In 1980 she was phoenix because she joined with the primal force of creation and the firebird back then was just a physical manifestation of her power. That and the name phoenix represented her death and rebrth into a higher being. In the classic Xmen stories from back then Jean was still called Phoenix of the white crown and was shown in her white phoenix costume when talking to death. No coincidence at all.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not only are there parallels in the role of the phoenixes and how they act in the comics. But also the phoenix stories are saturated with kaballic symbology linking the primal force of creation to TOAA. You would think that the primal force of creation was a part of god anyway. Also jeans name means that she is a vessel for the essense of god. All of those things together all but directly state that the primal force of creation which makes phoenixes is a part of TOAA.
Ok, part of God vs. All of God. Spectre's still winning.
Oh, and "Jean" doesn't mean the channel of God's power thing, the title White Crown does.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Spectre wins. He's an agent of the Presence and according to this thread is told to destroy PF. Guess what now? He does.As for PF, it's all speculation that she works for TOAA. It's not exactly true.
Not exactly true? Not directly stated. Just heavily suggested through symbology, the many blatant parallels between the phoenixes and the seraphim in terms of their roles and appearances. Also jeans name phoenix of the white crown meaning that she is a vessel for Gods essense. Its just too heavily suggested for it to be ignored. Simple as.
Originally posted by Dizzle
Ok, part of God vs. All of God. Spectre's still winning.Oh, and "Jean" doesn't mean the channel of God's power thing, the title White Crown does.
Thats what ive been saying throughout this thread. It was my wording. I should have said jeans title means....
instead of jeans name means...
Symbology doesn't directly correspond to power levels. It's never stated that the parallel for God is TOAA, in relationship to the Phoenix Avatars. So while they may be Seraphim, they do not necessarily have the power of TOAA backing them. (That's the third time I've explained this, and undoubtedly the third time it's gonna be ignored or countered with the fact that the Avatars parallel the Seraphim. One line can be parallel to another and still be below it...)
The name means nothing. Batman. Nuff said. It's just another thing to establish her rank among the Avatars, not to literally mean that she channels the power of TOAA.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not exactly true? Not directly stated. Just heavily suggested through symbology, the many blatant parallels between the phoenixes and the seraphim in terms of their roles and appearances. Also jeans name phoenix of the white crown meaning that she is a vessel for Gods essense. Its just too heavily suggested for it to be ignored. Simple as.
Adam Warlock = Jesus = GOD
- Unnatural birth (The HIVE)
- battled on the behalf of the Creator to save the world (fought on the behalf of the High Evolutionary to save counter Earth against Man-beast)
- crucified (was crucified)
- reserructed (resurrected & help defeat Thanos w/ the IG)
- ascension (became GOD with the IG)
- Holy Trinity (split into three beings: Adam Warlock, The Magus, The Goddess)
There's your symbols. LT still took Warlock's godhood away. You want parrallels and symbols - that's more than enough.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Adam Warlock = Jesus = GOD- Unnatural birth (The HIVE)
- battled on the behalf of the Creator to save the world (fought on the behalf of the High Evolutionary to save counter Earth against Man-beast)
- crucified (was crucified)
- reserructed (resurrected & help defeat Thanos w/ the IG)
- ascension (became GOD with the IG)
- Holy Trinity (split into three beings: Adam Warlock, The Magus, The Goddess)There's your symbols. LT still took Warlock's godhood away. You want parrallels and symbols - that's more than enough.
Was his mother a virgin? 😖hifty:
lol j/k