Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Can I make the force look like a dog, if I'm an avatar? I think the Phoenix Shape is part of it's nature.Endsong says the Phoenix Force is Jean. How do you explain that?
Where did the recton happen comic issue(not the 86 one)?
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Can I make the force look like a dog, if I'm an avatar? I think the Phoenix Shape is part of it's nature.Endsong says the Phoenix Force is Jean. How do you explain that?
Isnt that what im saying? There is no separate phoenix force because it is jean. The firebird is just jeans energy signature , a representation of her rebirth.
Originally posted by kgkg
And why did stars ect start despairing if it was retcon I didn't get that to?Where did the recton happen comic issue(not the 86 one)?
Some writers used during the retcon period had the phoenix as the sentient psychic energy of all living things, some had it as one with life. However during the retcon period, all writers had it as a separate entity and its status was reduced as such. It was made just another cosmic being as opposed to jean being phoenix after a union with THE primal force of creation which is second only to TOAA.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Some writers used during the retcon period had the phoenix as the sentient psychic energy of all living things, some had it as one with life. However during the retcon period, all writers had it as a separate entity and its status was reduced as such. It was made just another cosmic being as opposed to jean being phoenix after a union with THE primal force of creation which is second only to TOAA.
Originally posted by kgkg
Then how come she wasn’t mentioned in the new "The end series (it had all the powerhouses including LT)
The Phoenix of the white crown isnt featured in a lot of comics with universal threats yet you know that jean is a lot more powerful than virtually all of the players involved. Doesnt make sense does it? I think the Phoenixes only get involved in affairs which require their particular expertise. Things only they can do. For example in Gambit and the Xternals 3 it is said that only Phoenix has the power to contain the M'Kraan crystal which is basically a multiversal reset switch. However in AOA because of different circumstances Jean hadnt become Phoenix yet and all of the multiverse would have been wiped out if not for bishop preventing Legions tamperings with the crystal in the past. In The End Thanos eventually relinquished his power no intervention was required.
" issue number ? and it states there was a retcon?"
Since when does it state in comics ummm 'as of this issue there will be a retcon'. It doesnt. The comics just feature ideas and concepts totally at odds with fundamental concepts of previous story arc in the comics.
Originally posted by kgkg
Well how many retcon are there?Beyonder it was stated, Phoenix fist one was 86 ( stated by marvel) what else?
Was it stated by Marvel in 86? Thats news to me. Thats just when that issue off FF came out and you found out in it that Jean and the phoenix were separate entities
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
GalacticStorm has some good points, but I don't recall a second retcon.
Basically Gm in New Xmen about 2 years ago retconned the phoenix story and took it back to Chris C's original ideas behind Phoenix when he created her. As of New Xmen Jean is Phoenix. Its not the separate firebird entity of the 86 -03 era. In new Xmen certain individuals are born with Phoenix potential. They realise their ultimate potential when they die. This is what happened with Jean and it happened in New Xmen to Quentin Quire(Kid Omega) who by the end of New Xmen you find out is also a phoenix avatar. These phoenixes become one with creation and achieve their telekinetic godhood.
Originally posted by Creshosk
A retcon is something new that overrides the old.Each comic seems to be a retcon. As each provides new information to the old.
True. It doesn't necesarily have to be mentioned. The half of the second volume, and the entire third volume of the Hulk was retconned in one issue. Nothing has happened since Hulk left the Pantheon. Bruce was dreaming the entire time.
I'm open to convincing.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
She is. It is stated in the last book of Endsong.But, destroying the Phoenix would destroy creation. When Thanos tried to remove the force from Rachael, stars died, and that's only Racheal. The Presence's actions would be the undoing of all creation in Marvel. If TOAA didn't intervene, what would become of creation?
It's a comicbook forum. Your thinking about it too deeply. It's fully powered Spectre Vs. PF. Who wins in a fight? Who cares of the consequences?
I mean we can do the same for threats with anyone fighting Galactus, Death, or Eternity. I mean if they were destroyed then the universe would be destroyed. You think if Eternity were to fight - and the possibilities of him dying are high - that Galactus or Death or all of Earth's heroes aren't going to intervene in the fight...even though it's a comic book forum fight?
Again, don't look too deeply into this Cosmic Cube. Who wins? That's all you need to say.
Originally posted by Beyonder
It's a comicbook forum. Your thinking about it too deeply. It's fully powered Spectre Vs. PF. Who wins in a fight? Who cares of the consequences?I mean we can do the same for threats with anyone fighting Galactus, Death, or Eternity. I mean if they were destroyed then the universe would be destroyed. You think if Eternity were to fight - and the possibilities of him dying are high - that Galactus or Death or all of Earth's heroes aren't going to intervene in the fight...even though it's a comic book forum fight?
Again, don't look too deeply into this Cosmic Cube. Who wins? That's all you need to say.