The Phoenix vs. Fully-Powered Spectre

Originally posted by Beyonder
Adam Warlock = Jesus = GOD

- Unnatural birth (The HIVE)
- battled on the behalf of the Creator to save the world (fought on the behalf of the High Evolutionary to save counter Earth against Man-beast)
- crucified (was crucified)
- reserructed (resurrected & help defeat Thanos w/ the IG)
- ascension (became GOD with the IG)
- Holy Trinity (split into three beings: Adam Warlock, The Magus, The Goddess)

There's your symbols. LT still took Warlock's godhood away. You want parrallels and symbols - that's more than enough.

Your a genius. Warlock is the man. Sorry, had to throw that in there. The inner fanboy in me influenced that post.

Originally posted by Beyonder
Adam Warlock = Jesus = GOD

- Unnatural birth (The HIVE)
- battled on the behalf of the Creator to save the world (fought on the behalf of the High Evolutionary to save counter Earth against Man-beast)
- crucified (was crucified)
- reserructed (resurrected & help defeat Thanos w/ the IG)
- ascension (became GOD with the IG)
- Holy Trinity (split into three beings: Adam Warlock, The Magus, The Goddess)

There's your symbols. LT still took Warlock's godhood away. You want parrallels and symbols - that's more than enough.

Nice example... Angels<Jesus<LT
LT owns PF. 😄
So does Warlock. 😂

Originally posted by Dizzle
Nice example... Angels<Jesus<LT
LT owns PF. 😄
So does Warlock. 😂

They do?

No, but since Warlock is symbolized as Jesus (kinda), he should be above all of the Phoenix avatars, according to Galactic's logic. Which isn't true... Which I've been saying this whole time...

If TOAA didn't intervene, I'm sure the Presence could wipe the Phoenix from existence. Isn't that what the thread is about?

Originally posted by Dizzle
No, but since Warlock is symbolized as Jesus (kinda), he should be above all of the Phoenix avatars, according to Galactic's logic. Which isn't true... Which I've been saying this whole time...

Good point.

Hey dudes stop it with the Adam Warlock thingy, did yall forgot the topic

Fierybalog, everyone... perhaps the term KILL or DEFEAT the PF could simplified as SEALING it or MUTING it thus rendering it unable to do anything, but not MAKING IT GONE FROM EXISTENCE....

You know .... somehow ImPRISONING it !! (PF)
Both of these dudes cant die, Spectres dies.....than the spirit will keep on searching a new host...... Jean dies than PF will also search a new avatar...

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Hey dudes stop it with the Adam Warlock thingy, did yall forgot the topic

Fierybalog, everyone... perhaps the term KILL or DEFEAT the PF could simplified as SEALING it or MUTING it thus rendering it unable to do anything, but not MAKING IT GONE FROM EXISTENCE....

You know .... somehow ImPRISONING it !! (PF)
Both of these dudes cant die, Spectres dies.....than the spirit will keep on searching a new host...... Jean dies than PF will also search a new avatar...

Originally posted by kgkg
Apparently Jean is one with the PF now

She is. It is stated in the last book of Endsong.

But, destroying the Phoenix would destroy creation. When Thanos tried to remove the force from Rachael, stars died, and that's only Racheal. The Presence's actions would be the undoing of all creation in Marvel. If TOAA didn't intervene, what would become of creation?

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Hey dudes stop it with the Adam Warlock thingy, did yall forgot the topic

Fierybalog, everyone... perhaps the term KILL or DEFEAT the PF could simplified as SEALING it or MUTING it thus rendering it unable to do anything, but not MAKING IT GONE FROM EXISTENCE....

You know .... somehow ImPRISONING it !! (PF)
Both of these dudes cant die, Spectres dies.....than the spirit will keep on searching a new host...... Jean dies than PF will also search a new avatar...

Good points, but Jean is one with the Phoenix Force. She can't be killed. I don't even think she can be considered an avatar anymore.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
She is. It is stated in the last book of Endsong.

But, destroying the Phoenix would destroy creation. When Thanos tried to remove the force from Rachael, stars died, and that's only Racheal. The Presence's actions would be the undoing of all creation in Marvel. If TOAA didn't intervene, what would become of creation?

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
She is. It is stated in the last book of Endsong.

But, destroying the Phoenix would destroy creation. When Thanos tried to remove the force from Rachael, stars died, and that's only Racheal. The Presence's actions would be the undoing of all creation in Marvel. If TOAA didn't intervene, what would become of creation?

I really don&#8217;t see a second retcon do you ?

Originally posted by kgkg
I though that was from the retcon period and GalacticS didn't like when I use anything from the year 86-2003 🙁

I really don&#8217;t see a second retcon do you ?

Never did. What changed since 2003?

Originally posted by kgkg
Thanos you mean galactus ?

😮

Yes. I don't recall her fighting Thanos.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Never did. What changed since 2003?

But in Engsong (Phoenix Force = powerful entity)

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Never did. What changed since 2003?

Originally posted by kgkg
Well arrantly according to GalacticS it become a Force (not an entity)

But in Engsong (Phoenix Force = powerful entity)

Ive already explained this to you KG. In endsong there wasnt a separate phoenix force entity. Thats what you were lead to believe in the beginning and from previews. By reading endsong you found out that the mad 'being' in endsong was actually just a shard of jean. Not a separate force. There is no phoenix force as such. Thats retcon talk. There was a union between Jean and the primal force of creation. This created Phoenix. Which was jean. The firebird was just a physical manifestation of her power and it reprsented her rebirth. All firebird entities you saw in any of the comics were just manifestations created by the avatars. It is not a separate entity.

Originally posted by kgkg
well LT was holding the Phoenix Force like a child

Nope. LT was holding a manifestation of jeans powers in his hand. As per current ontinuity. The separate firebird entity doesnt exist anymore. Thats from the silly 86 retcon which took over from the original phoenix idea of 1980 and itself got retconned by the original idea a few years ago. About 2003.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive already explained this to you KG. In endsong there wasnt a separate phoenix force entity. Thats what you were lead to believe in the beginning and from previews. By reading endsong you found out that the mad 'being' in endsong was actually just a shard of jean. Not a separate force. There is no phoenix force as such. Thats retcon talk. There was a union between Jean and the primal force of creation. This created Phoenix. Which was jean. The firebird was just a physical manifestation of her power and it reprsented her rebirth. All firebird entities you saw in any of the comics were just manifestations created by the avatars. It is not a separate entity.

Can I make the force look like a dog, if I'm an avatar? I think the Phoenix Shape is part of it's nature.

Endsong says the Phoenix Force is Jean. How do you explain that?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. LT was holding a manifestation of jeans powers in his hand. As per current ontinuity. The separate firebird entity doesnt exist anymore. Thats from the silly 86 retcon which took over from the original phoenix idea of 1980 and itself got retconned by the original idea a few years ago. About 2003.

And back than this was the entire Force.

Galactic can you tell me where does marvel state the second recton happen? 2003?