illadelph12
aka Rakim Illa
Mornin' ya'll.
Damn, a lot to cover over one night.
[Gotta give you props Manjaro. You've been holdin it down in this thread]
Ok, first this:
[Avalon]
Very Very interesting theories on here, I won't pretend that I remember everything I studied on these topics, but lets consider this...If Bobby goes in as water and tries to do something, Isn't it also possible that his fluids could be hijacked by Supes own field leaving bobby with no control over anything? Kind of like Nightcrawler materializing inside a wall. Supes field is psionic in nature as well.
There are fluids that move about freely throughout Supes body. Iceman simply has to transfer his consciousness along them. Like Living Lightning traveling along electrical cables or Swamp Thing transferring his essence through folliage. He wouldn't become trapped, Supes body is saturated in moisture down to the cellular level.
[Manjaro]
(Good post)
my main thing is even if bobby subterfuges his fluids and suck him dry, his cells would act like a super vacuum to solar rays, not enuff to restore him to full power but certainly enuff for him to NOT die. going back to when i said Steel and Atom went inside him microscopically. in that same issue one of them(forgot which) expressivley made a comment how different is his physiology. the atom even said that he discovered 4 chambers in his heart. so i dont know how easy it might be to give him heart attack. the other thing is while they were in there they were fine until they started bouncing around, cuz supes was convulsing and involuntarily releasing his heat vision. and they showed that the energy came from ALL the cells in his body as opposed to just his "eyes". and they were commenting on how hot it was in thereit kind of reminded of that scene in DBZ when goku and vegeta was fighting buu from the inside and they were rushing out on that plume of steam. thats how they portryed the energy rushing out plus, once supes body saw that they were things causing an adverse reaction to him, thousands of superman shaped antibodies attacked them.
so while i think that giving him coronaries and embolisms are a good idea the fact of the matter is his immuno responses are significantly more reactive than ours ,and thats ditto for his healing rate. so the moment even ONE molecule in his body is damaged his system is gonna react accordingly and take care of it. cuz just we as regular humans when we get injured our body reacts to protect or heal itself INSTANTANEOUSLY, just on a microscopic scale.
so no we cant heal from a gunshot wound immediatley, but when we get a small cut within secs the blood clots to stop the bleeding right? and within a couple a days its repaired. so its a safe bet that with superman this natural ability is increased a thousand fold. so all bobby would be able to do is go in there and look around and shit.
this is a slight stretch and i only bring him up cuz he's a superman clone but look at what happened when blink teleported half a ton of sand inside King Hyperion. his body broke it down immediatly. now we can all go outside and swallow some sand but our bodies arent gonna recognize it as something bad. our digestive enzymes are gonna get right to work to see if there are any nutrients in it. so in all likelyhood if bobby bypassed his aura(which is feasible)and enters his system as vapor or liquid oxygen or whatever he would probably just get metabolzed and converted into energy. in essence he could very well be sealing his own fate. whatever you guys think just remeber that everything our bodies can do supes own can do it a thousand times better so this whole he would get destroyed b4 he could react thing is very unfeasible.
As I've said before, Supes body consist of fluids, even with his heightened body temperature. Unlike in the scenario of Steel and the Atom or Vegeta and Goku inside Super Buu, Iceman would not bring his own alien physical presence within Superman's body, he would transfer his conciousness into the fluids that already make up Supes physiological makeup. There would be nothing for Supes natural immunity defenses to pick up because no alien tissue has been introduced.
Now, if Steel and Atom caused Supes to involuntary convulse by "bouncing around", and then his antibodies were released to counteract the "foreign threat", how is his body going to detect Iceman when he is part of the normal chemistry of Supes body and causes all of the fluid in his circulatory system, which leads to every part and cell in his body, to simultaneously either become solid (All of the fluid in his heart and brain, as well as any where else, simultaneously, would become solid ice), or remove the moisture alltogether by drawing it all unto himself and leaving Superman's body, causing complete dehydration down to the cellular level, and destroying Supes cellular cohesion by destroying Superman's cellular peptides? In doing this, Iceman would also destroy Superman's cells ability to facilitate the biochemical process of metabolizing sunlight into metaprotien, and his biomatrix would cease to exists (since this is a byproduct of his body metabolizing the metaprotein his cells create). The cells would die from total dehydration, and be unable to perform any function at all. Supes would be reduced to dust (well, at least the base elements his body consists of without any moisture).
(And to counter it before it comes up; Superman sitting in the sun and becoming S. Prime doesn't discount Supes need for moisture/hydration. His biomatrix can maintain the fluids already within him from evaporating obviously. His organic form and body chemisty still needs hydration to function, his body operates on a biochemical process. Forcibly removing all moisture from his being would end this process).
[Avalon]
Can't Supes simply blow him away or apart in this form then?
Microscopic vision, em spectrum, super hearing. It shouldnt be too hard to see a strange movement of air, vapor, or humidity coming towards you with his powers.Superbreath wouldnt even have to be too specific, at Supes levels he could easily blow everything near him far, far away.
He could try, but it wouldn't help. He'd have to remove all moisture in the vacinity, including within himself, to keep Bobby at bay. When Superman exhales, there is moisture along the current of his breath. Bobby can transfer his consciousness upstream along any form of moisture, regardless of velocity. For example, if a fire hose were blasting out a powerful high velocity stream of water, the force of the water would not impede the progress of Iceman's consciousness along it. It's not like a fish swimming upstream. It's more like electricty being conducted. Moisture just happens to be what conduct Bobby's consciousness.
I think I covered the heart/cardio/circulatory thing before. Supes heart trying to pump a solid mass of blood would cause extreme cardiac arrest, the severe convulsions caused by it would break Supes body considering how strong he is. Having a severe stroke and all fluid in your lungs solidify simultaneously with such an extreme cardiac arrest would devestate Kal El. Even if he survived, his bodily systems would be so taxed he'd be in no position to counter act having all moisture in his body forcibly removed from every facet of his being.