Originally posted by Creshosk
unless it was a plant from krypton.unless it was a solar powered battery from krypton? . . er wait. . .
you could if that was the only you fuel source you needed.
unless that was the only fuel source you needed.
Uh, because one powers him up and the other doesn't. . if you really don't see the difference between going closer to your fuel source and having a part of you removed. . .
So if you took something that only needed 9 volts, but ran 2000 volts through it..it would just get more powerful right? Nope, it would just blow out.
Supes, gets his energy from the suns light, not the heat. So it should still burn him going by these theories...especially if his insides are not protected and his immune system won't kick in because its just heat..not a foreign antibody.
Yet, nothing happens to him.
By the same token, the opposite should be true. This may work if you took away the suns energy all together and supes was depowered.
Originally posted by Creshosk
So he DOEN'T need water in his body in order to live. . .
Who knows? How did he stay in the sun for a couple of thousand years?
His bodies efficiency must be great with it, seeing as the "man" doesnt sweat, or get thirsty. Even after his "death" he was brought back to life in a birthing matrix of solar light. Not liquids or food were administed to him.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindAh, that explains how superman becomes superman prime, because he works exactly like a regular earth battery. . . or you know he could be more like a 1mil volt batery that can run on lower powers like the 9 volts he's been getting, but functions better when fully charged. . .
So if you took something that only needed 9 volts, but ran 2000 volts through it..it would just get more powerful right? Nope, it would just blow out.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewindunless you know his durability is fuelded by his power andit gets better the more well charged it is so being fully charged could make him immune to the heat of the sun. . .
Supes, gets his energy from the suns light, not the heat. So it should still burn him going by these theories...especially if his insides are not protected and his immune system won't kick in because its just heat..not a foreign antibody.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindWhat you mean like becoming superman prime? Yeah, that totally didn't happen.
Yet, nothing happens to him.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindWhy wouldn't it work normally? He CAN live without water in his body?
By the same token, the opposite should be true. This may work if you took away the suns energy all together and supes was depowered.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Ah, that explains how superman becomes superman prime, because he works exactly like a regular earth battery. . . or you know he could be more like a 1mil volt batery that can run on lower powers like the 9 volts he's been getting, but functions better when fully charged. . .unless you know his durability is fuelded by his power andit gets better the more well charged it is so being fully charged could make him immune to the heat of the sun. . .
What you mean like becoming superman prime? Yeah, that totally didn't happen.
Why wouldn't it work normally? He CAN live without water in his body?
So the intense heat turned him into Superman prime? Yea..light had nothing to do with it... his aura protects him against vaporizing heat, but cold and moisture... no reason for his body to worry about that! Thats just crazy.
What is cold? The absense of heat... Like I said... if you took the sun away long enough..then this may work. Unfortunately...bobby has no way of doing that. there is no telling what "freezing" temperature is for supes or whether bobby has the ability to go there.
Of course...Bobby can pull this off because he is a mutant...never mind that other more sophisticated weapons, beings, and magic havent killed supes. The fact that bobby can freeze things and turn to water vapor makes ALL the difference in the world right? He's the lucky one!
Anyway, we could go around in circles all day, but the fact is, you will never see a comic where bobby defeats Supes due to his invulnerability.
Does it makes sense? Probably not, but then again, neither do characters surviving black holes or being brought back from the dead.
With that note. Time for bed.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindRight. . . because the sun doesn't produce light with all of its millions and millions of nuclear reactions and all. . .
So the intense heat turned him into Superman prime? Yea..light had nothing to do with it... his aura protects him against vaporizing heat, but cold and moisture... no reason for his body to worry about that! Thats just crazy.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindWho said anything about freezing?
What is cold? The absense of heat... Like I said... if you took the sun away long enough..then this may work. Unfortunately...bobby has no way of doing that. there is no telling what "freezing" temperature is for supes or whether bobby has the ability to go there.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewindand how many times has someone tried to remove Superman's bodily water from the inside?
Of course...Bobby can pull this off because he is a mutant...never mind that other more sophisticated weapons, beings, and magic havent killed supes. The fact that bobby can freeze things and turn to water vapor makes ALL the difference in the world right? He's the lucky one!
Originally posted by Avalonofthewindacutally I'd chalk it up to them being from different characters types first, different companies second . . . etc. but I don't think I'd chalk up superman being immune to cellular resperation due to him being invulnerable. . .
Anyway, we could go around in circles all day, but the fact is, you will never see a comic where bobby defeats Supes due to his invulnerability.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewindor anything else in comic books that make them what they are for that matter.
Does it makes sense? Probably not, but then again, neither do characters surviving black holes or being brought back from the dead.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Right. . . because the sun doesn't produce light with all of its millions and millions of nuclear reactions and all. . .
It's obvious that it does... but where does it say that because Supes is powered by sunlight it means he is immune to vaporizing heat, or extreme cold? The same way his body protects him from these elements, it should protect him from bobby's effect.
Originally posted by Creshosk
and how many times has someone tried to remove Superman's bodily water from the inside?
When was the last time you saw bobby successfully do it to someone as powerful as supes? Proteus was inside supes in liquid form and couldnt do anything. He's far more powerful and intelligent than bobby. He can also become invisible and intangible and become liquid.
Originally posted by Creshosk
acutally I'd chalk it up to them being from different characters types first, different companies second . . . etc. but I don't think I'd chalk up superman being immune to cellular resperation due to him being invulnerable. . .
His field is a self regulating psionic/biometric field. Bobby is a foreign consciousness attempting to alter him...and you think nothing will happen? Bobby will become trapped, be regulated like heat/cold, poison, or be forced out.
Originally posted by Creshosk
or anything else in comic books that make them what they are for that matter.
Exactly. You don't understand the biomatrix anymore than anyone else. So its all assumption.
Umm... this biomatrix is emitted from the cells outwards right? But there is an entry point for water into Superman's system because as a living organism a) his cells require water to perform metabolic functions powered by the sun and b) cells require water to maintain their shape, without it they shrivel up/die.
Edit: Forgot my main point. The field is external if Bobby enters the cells freezing causes water to expand and crystallise into ice rupturing the cell membranes or bursting the cells due to increase in volume from the inside.
the main point is that iceman doesnt just freeze things like space would to superman....it affects that fact that there is no heat and supermans body acts accordingly, Iceman goes directly to the molecules he is made of and stops them....completely, so you have a frozen Supes you is frozen starting with his molecules
I think the problem is that people are working under the pretext that Bobby would be attacking from outside of the forcefield, when he'd actually bypass it and attack Supes from within his protection. From within his cellular structure. Bobby can use Superman's own body chemistry and composition against him, from within his defenses, by simply riding along the lines of Supes own physiology. It's not to hard to comprehend.
As for the White Martian that entered Supes body (Protex), when he turned into liquid form and entered Superman, he was still foreign organic material. He was liquid Martian. Iceman would not be a foreign organism in Supes system, he would inhabit the moisture already found in Superman's organic form, which would not be detected by Supes natural immunities.
Oh, and as far as Supes surviving in the Sun, Supes biomatrix protects him from external extremes, and it is energy retentive. Heat energy wouldn't pass through it externally. Bobby, from within Supes cellular structure, inside of his biomatrix, would be able to halt the motion of the molecules in Supes cells and freeze them solid, destroying all biochemical processes, and then he could extract the moisture altogether if he wished, destroying Supes cellular cohesion.
Originally posted by illadelph12
I think the problem is that people are working under the pretext that Bobby would be attacking from outside of the forcefield, when he'd actually bypass it and attack Supes from within his protection. From within his cellular structure. Bobby can use Superman's own body chemistry and composition against him, from within his defenses, by simply riding along the lines of Supes own physiology. It's not to hard to comprehend.As for the White Martian that entered Supes body (Protex), when he turned into liquid form and entered Superman, he was still foreign organic material. He was liquid Martian. Iceman would not be a foreign organism in Supes system, he would inhabit the moisture already found in Superman's organic form, which would not be detected by Supes natural immunities.
Oh, and as far as Supes surviving in the Sun, Supes biomatrix protects him from external extremes, and it is energy retentive. Heat energy wouldn't pass through it externally. Bobby, from within Supes cellular structure, inside of his biomatrix, would be able to halt the motion the molecules in Supes cells and freeze them solid, destroying all biochemical processes, and then he could extract the moisture altogether if he wished, destroying Supes cellular cohesion.
the funny thing is all of this freezing stuff would make sense if they were fighting where sunlight is unavailable. or if supes reserves were already drained. somebody brought up the manchester black almost giving him a heart attack thing..ok...thats cool but what happened shortly after words, he recovered very quickly and dispatched him and his cronies in two shakes of a lambs tail. so i revert to my previous stance that this freezing or subterfuging his moisture thing(providing that its even possible) would be nothing more than a temporary inconvenience for Superman. unless we are discussing who can incapacitate who for 30 secs.😆 then i'd give the nod to iceman
Again I state nothing can survive at absolute zero. There is no energy for any reaction to occur. If Iceman can even keep the molecules around Superman's biofield at absolute zero (let alone within) then no sun light energy passes through the layer of molecules that are devoid of and constantly being removed of any energy. Superman dies of light deprivation.
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Get your facts right, dude. 😄
The void of space is absolute zero.
The suns rays pass through it with ease. 🙂
If Bobby could get within Supes' cells and then create such a temperature within them, yes Superman would die.
Obviously only until Bobby leaves and the sun will bring him to life again. 🙂
But if Iceman created a layer of abso-zero AROUND Supes, it wouldn't affect him at al.
I've been swayed by some people's arguments on this forum.
Bobby HAS the potential to wreck Superman - I'll admit that now. 🙁
BUT - he doesn't wreck every opponent and in a fight, you KNOW that Superman would win... 😄 I'm sure everyone knows that! 😉
notworthyI can admit when I'm wrong and I'm wrong about the external absolute zero. I don't study physics I study physiology its been a long time since I've done any real physics. And yes your right I was assuming heat energy was the same as light energy but they are different parts of the EM spectrum. Light passes through and between molecules but heat and sound travel as kinetic energy if I recall right.
Yep - heat and sound are absent in absolute zero. 🙂
But you're also right about Bobby being able to kill Superman if he can use his power inside Supe's cells.
However - what people have said about Superman being immune to all heat isn't true either. In his first fight with Bizarro Superman got zapped by B's heat vision - and it hurt him like hell, lol.