Iceman (full potential) vs. Superman

he also got hurt by superboy's heat vision too, point is it still boils down to the fact that once supes body recognizes an injury its gonna react. bobby would be fine in his system as vapor or water as long as he doesnt try anything but the moment just ONE molecule is ruptured(believe i said that before) his body is gonna combat that adverse reaction, like i also said before when reg. humans get injured our bodies react immediately as well but on a microscopic scale, supes body reacts on a macroscopic scale, or whatever terminology exists for something bigger and faster than macroscopic.😆

so as a result the only feasible way i look at this is if bobby can drain him faster than he can heal, which i doubt, in freaking sunlight no less. a couple pages back i showed supes being drained by a huge nuclear bomb. and he was restored after he drained solar energy from plants and trees, and that was in the abscense of sunlight.

point is contrary to popular belief if you drain someone of all thier moisture thier not gonna disintigrate into ash, but rather they'll look just like bodies that have been mummified for hundreds of years, or when they find frozen bodys in the arctic or something,(or like the pic i posted a few pages back) so as soon as bobby leaves his system he would regenrate all those damaged cells instantly, so again... we're talking about a temporary incovenience. but the thing is this battle would be so fast paced that i doubt he would get the chance to do that anyway, besides he would have had to do that after he was smashed to bits by supes anyway. so if we're judging this battle by who can incapacitate who first its obviously superman, but i think we all can agree that neither could kill each other.

ok.....but if its not rupture or anything of that nature....from INSIDE supes aura iceman "freezes" his molecules so ALL his molecules STOP.........what is his immune system gonna do if its frozen?

Besides Superman is alive he still has metabolic functions that produce energy to power his bodily functions ie biochemical reactions which I'd assume involve water. Without those metabolic functions he would die i.e. complete dehydration.

When Supes' molecules are frozen, there's no way for his "super homeostasis" to kick in. Why? Because his molecules are FROZEN. And superman has been affected internally. Both Manchester Black and Dr. Polaris have done it. So there's precedent for him being affected internally. In the case of Manchester Black, Superman didn't recover until Black released his hold on him. Black released his hold because he was messing with him. He could have easily done any number of far more serious things to Superman if he chose to. Ditto with Dr. Polaris. When Iceman STOPS Superman's molecules, ain't no coming back from that. Ain't no recovering from that unless Iceman starts the motion on them again because when the molecules are STOPPED, as someone here already said, NO reaction can occur. No super healing, no Meta-ATP reactions, no sunlight processing...nothing.

And yes, Iceman has done this to people as powerful or more powerful than Superman: The Stranger (An Elder of the Universe) and Legion (Nate Grey level). Legion only got out because he has a disembodied consciousness - doesn't apply to Superman.

Superman can melt iceman cant he? why is this thread still going on then?

The forcefield protects and regulates his biological functions all together. If all of a sudden a few cells start to stop functioning correctly due to being cryogenized, his aura will automatically compensate, which would result in bobby being trapped. The aura doesnt just keep things out..it can also keep things in.

Melting Iceman won't affect him. He'll just reform or attack as water vapor.

Originally posted by Dark Thor
Superman can melt iceman cant he? why is this thread still going on then?

because iceman can exist as water vapor.....he cant physically be killed and since supes wont know to keep the heat going he will think he won while iceman gets down to business

Originally posted by demigawd
Melting Iceman won't affect him. He'll just reform or attack as water vapor.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
The forcefield protects and regulates his biological functions all together. If all of a sudden a few cells start to stop functioning correctly due to being cryogenized, his aura will automatically compensate, which would result in bobby being trapped. The aura doesnt just keep things out..it can also keep things in.

Since when. In that case his cells are completely self-regulated and self-sustained and I for one find that difficult to believe. That would just make Superman a mass of single celled organisms.

yes buts its the solar charged molecules that make it possible for supes to have an aura in the first place so how is he gonna stop or freeze invulnerable molecules? thats the question ive been asking for quite some time now.. plus have you ever heard of homeo stasis? im sure that supes body would recognize the phoenomina as hypothermia and since his body's homeostasis is thousands of times more profound than ours is his kick ass auto immune system would work to regulate his temp. in no time flat so you guys are just gonna have to accept that this isnt gonna work in any way outside of temporarily

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
How about separating all the water molecules back into oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxide with applied heat and or energy?

Wouldn't work - Bobby exists as a disembodied consciousness. He'd reform from any water vapor in the air (and of course there's always going to be water vapor in the air somewhere). Even if miles away. He "teleports" by transferring his consciousness to another mass, maybe even on the other side of the planet. Now if Superman could remove all the moisture in the atmosphere on the entire planet, then we can talk...

The molecules themselves are "super" now? Molecules are molecules.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Since when. In that case his cells are completely self-regulated and self-sustained and I for one find that difficult to believe. That would just make Superman a mass of single celled organisms.

Pretty much since Eradicator brought him back and altered his physiology after the Doomsday fight. He's been progressively powering up. Hard to believe or not..Supes is not human, and we are all trying to use science to explain a comic book being who has held a black hole in his hand.

Originally posted by manjaro
yes buts its the solar charged molecules that make it possible for supes to have an aura in the first place so how is he gonna stop or freeze invulnerable molecules? thats the question ive been asking for quite some time now.. plus have you ever heard of homeo stasis? im sure that supes body would recognize the phoenomina as hypothermia and since his body's homeostasis is thousands of times more profound than ours is his kick ass auto immune system would work to regulate his temp. in no time flat so you guys are just gonna have to accept that this isnt gonna work in any way outside of temporarily

Bobby is making Superman cold...he isn't giving Superman the sniffles. He's STOPPING every molecule in his body. Homeostasis can't kick in when there's no process to register to tell it to kick in because its all stopped.

besides last time i checked iceman dont have powers like manchester black, and dr. polaris. i dont imagine supes explaining to ppl in the after life that he got killled by freaking water vapors

Originally posted by demigawd
Wouldn't work - Bobby exists as a disembodied consciousness. He'd reform from any water vapor in the air (and of course there's always going to be water vapor in the air somewhere). Even if miles away. He "teleports" by transferring his consciousness to another mass, maybe even on the other side of the planet. Now if Superman could remove all the moisture in the atmosphere on the entire planet, then we can talk...

Doing this he would have already lost. Its not like it would be a quick and easy process.

ok.....but if its not rupture or anything of that nature....from INSIDE supes aura iceman "freezes" his molecules so ALL his molecules STOP.........what is his immune system gonna do if its frozen?

Nothing, because his brain, heart, lungs, circulatory system and spinal fluids would also be frozen, and the biochemical process that creates and metabolizes the metaprotein compound would halt. Iceman is capable of a flash freeze, you know. He stops all motion of particles in an area. The resulting simultaneous cardiac arrest, respiratory failure and stroke would cause Supes to convulse so violently he'd physically disable himself. Don't forget Zod broke his jaw, I think Supes has enough strength so that if he violently convulsed he could break his own neck. Then Bobby just forcibly removes all moisture from Supes entire being down to the cellular level, leaving his cellular structure unable to facilitate the biochemical process that enables his biomatrix.

Oh, and about Mummies that are devoid of moisture, what is left is the carbon and other elemental remains of the body, plus some organic material due to the mummification process (embalming and preservation). When organic material is completely dehydrated it dies and breaks down at the cellular level, reverting to it's base elements.

Herego the phrase "Ashes to Ashes, and Dust to Dust".

Open a coffin of an unpreserved cadaver after it's been completely dehydrated and you'll see nothing but dust and carbon/calcium deposits.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Pretty much since Eradicator brought him back and altered his physiology after the Doomsday fight. He's been progressively powering up. Hard to believe or not..Supes is not human, and we are all trying to use science to explain a comic book being who has held a black hole in his hand.

Superman is not a mass of single celled organisms. Cells need communication between them in order to survive. Avascular tissues such as the eyes would die if cell to cell communication is blocked.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The molecules themselves are "super" now? Molecules are molecules.

since 1986, thats when