Iceman (full potential) vs. Superman

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Consciousness without any kind of physical form 😂

I am leaving this thread again its sooooooooo silly

Seems we're stuck on whether or not you can accept that consciousness exists without a physical mind. But you're forgetting that consciousness is held on the Astral Plane. Is there a corollary in real life? No. But you have to argue from the basis that you're given - the basis that we're given is that consciousness is housed in the Astral Plane, and as such doesn't need physical brains to exist. The brain exists separately from the mind - this is the given basis. You can't calculate in Base 10 if we're told the calculation must be done in Base 8. So like I said before, you're arguing from a false pretense given the laws of the universe in which we're arguing. Bobby's consciousness issues commands from the psionic plane, the way Sandman or Electro or any other elemental or disembodied superbeing does and...that's really all there is to it.

but I'll take your advice and try my absolute darnedest to stay whirly. 😆

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Whirly stop being so condescending. 🙁 You had no plausible argument that the biofield (I'm still assuming force field if it's energy then what form? and how does it not disperse? I can't see how a force field can be selective) allows for simple monoamine exocytosis or reuptake or allows for the maintenance of resting potential and generation of action potentials.

Superman should have an array of neurological disorders and in fact be killed by his own biofield.

This is a man who can vibrate himself intangible or invisible. Bobby cant compete with that.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
No I have stated Water is polar

The astral plane is esoteric

Changes require energy

Psions are subatomic particles which interact with the mind

The mind requires some physicality

enjoy your "Science" 😂 Astral Plane landing, bump, bump, crash [/B]

Oh I get it! Like "Flying" Plane! What a clever man you are!

🙄

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Superman should have an array of neurological disorders and in fact be killed by his own biofield.

No I am saying that no need for chemotaxis exists in supes cells as his receptors active changes in the density of his energy field( of an unkown type) Action Potentials can be generated as Na and K permeability is also selective to the field. So no blockage of Na channels could take place like with nerve gasses etc etc etc. Look up "selective" Keep playing with your balls X

Glad your Whirly demi 😄

and quoting yourself instead of me to make a point 😄 good try 😄

So this post argues what I already knew, Marvel Science has no basis in real Science the two do not mix your attempts to say Bobby can overcome Supes field, yet a third universes physical laws are wrong.

So its Gibberish and I was right as you admit you are not using Science from this Universe😄

Game over

Keep the faith 🤘

Stay Whirly 😄

Originally posted by demigawd
Which we already knew

Which is wrong given the universe in which we're arguing

Which we know

Which is the wrong science we're talking about

Which is wrong given the universe in which we're arguing.

Oh I get it! Like "Flying" Plane! What a clever man you are!

🙄

Yes the Astral plane landing with a crash was genius 😄

Originally posted by whirlysplat
No I am saying that no need for chemotaxis exists in supes cells as his receptors active changes in the density of his energy field( of an unkown type) Action Potentials can be generated as Na and K permeability is also selective to the field. So no blockage of Na channels could take place like with nerve gasses etc etc etc. Look up "selective" Keep playing with your balls X

Glad your Whirly demi 😄

and quoting yourself instead of me to make a point 😄 good try 😄

You suck Whirly. 😂 J/k.

Still trying to decipher your syntax... but will respond.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
So this post argues what I already knew, Marvel Science has no basis in real Science the two do not mix your attempts to say Bobby can overcome Supes field, yet a third universes physical laws are wrong.

Sure Marvel Science has a basis in real science, as does DC science. But there are concepts that exist beyond it as well (Meta ATP, Astral Plane, cellular forcefields), and if you're going to argue points, you have to take accepted facts into consideration, otherwise you're not going to make your point effectively. For example, you constantly insisting that consciousness can't exist without a physical body...it does. So you have to ask yourself, are you arguing against comic science or arguing against Iceman's ability to beat Superman. If the former, then you've picked a bad thread and bad board for it. if the latter, then there's no point in arguing against something shown to exist in both DC and Marvel. Pick a side.

As an aside, you have yet to prove that Bobby is unable to overcome Supes field. Perhaps your focus on trying to refute something accepted as fact in both Marvel and DC is your attempt at drawing attention away from that. Good effort. I applaud it.

But at least energy changes and solar power, a brain to controls psions etc etc etc (whilst poor Science in the Supermans case) have a little grounding and is not as power as Marvels Iceman. My argument is actually thatcomic science should have a little grounding no matter the company. All life on Earth comes from the sun 😄 Not the Astral Plane

Keep the faith

Stay Whirly 🤘

There is grounding in it. DC has elementals as well who are able to have consciousness without a body. The only "made up" concept that is universal to just about all comics is the existence of the Astral Plane. And this only explains Bobby's ability to teleport. Even if we were to take the Astral Plane argument out of the equation and keep it to hard science...Iceman freezes Superman molecule to molecule. And if you want really hard science...the forcefield would be meaningless, because Bobby controls anything with a molecular spin. He'd freeze the forcefield too.

If the field is permeable to ions, monoamines, and neuropeptides then it must be also permeable to water as the changes in osmolarity would require RVI and RVD. Iceman is capable of entering the bioenergyfield.

I can't see a typo in your post 😄

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If the field is permeable to ions, monoamines, and neuropeptides then it must be also permeable to water as the changes in osmolarity would require RVI and RVD. Iceman is capable of entering the bioenergyfield.

"Selectively" permeable! 😄

What do you think water is in the body X?

This is a naughty question 😉

aight what about the fact that DC science has also done this with science....superman should not be able to fly or run real fast since the science to it is that the sun on kryton was waaay bigger....yet the size of the sun to be able to do that here on this world is not a size a star is able to reach.....also while it may be bad science it does happen that iceman becomes something other than a body with a brain...heres an example

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Originally posted by demigawd
There is grounding in it. DC has elementals as well who are able to have consciousness without a body. The only "made up" concept that is universal to just about all comics is the existence of the Astral Plane. And this only explains Bobby's ability to teleport. Even if we were to take the Astral Plane argument out of the equation and keep it to hard science...Iceman freezes Superman molecule to molecule. And if you want really hard science...the forcefield would be meaningless, because Bobby controls anything with a molecular spin. He'd freeze the forcefield too.

Where does he get the energy to reduce Supes energy from?

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Updated my comment to reflect the edit in yours, Whirly

Originally posted by demigawd
There is grounding in it. DC has elementals as well who are able to have consciousness without a body. The only "made up" concept that is universal to just about all comics is the existence of the Astral Plane. And this only explains Bobby's ability to teleport. Even if we were to take the Astral Plane argument out of the equation and keep it to hard science...Iceman freezes Superman molecule to molecule. And if you want really hard science...the forcefield would be meaningless, because Bobby controls anything with a molecular spin. He'd freeze the forcefield too.

The "forcefield" is made of molecules now is it 😄
Wher does the energy come from?