Iceman (full potential) vs. Superman

Started by xmarksthespot90 pages

Originally posted by whirlysplat
"Selectively" permeable! 😄

What do you think water is in the body X?

This is a naughty question 😉

I have no idea what you're talking about. We already established that you have the advantage in being a molecular biologist there's no need to be snarky. I'm an undergrad in holiday mode 😂 Explain to me why the field can allow for changes in cell volume. Are you saying the cells are impermeable to water in which case how did the water get in there in the first place. If there is no water in the cells then what maintains their structure.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, here play with this piece of ball string 😄 Molecular spin I'll stick to superstring 😛 So still waiting X what do you think water is?

Originally posted by whirlysplat
The "forcefield" is made of molecules now is it 😄
Wher does the energy come from?

You freeze something by removing energy, not taking it. Iceman psionically orders the molecules to slow or stop spinning. It releases energy in the process. If this were Fireman, instead of Iceman, you might be on to something.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I have no idea what you're talking about. We already established that you have the advantage in being a molecular biologist there's no need to be snarky. I'm an undergrad in holiday mode 😂 Explain to me why the field can allow for changes in cell volume. Are you saying the cells are impermeable to water in which case how did the water get in there in the first place. If there is no water in the cells then what maintains their structure.

OK my explanation of why this is impossible and how water and cells interact is on ne of the early pages😄 of this thread 😄

Originally posted by demigawd
You freeze something by removing energy, not taking it.
and you need energy to reduce energy in a static system. You can't create a thermal gradient from nothing 😄 So simple, what kind of scientsit are you demi? X and I have stated what we specialise in.

He needs energy for the psions to interact if they are to reduce an energy state😄 Supes has meta ATP to power his biological processes, wheres bobby get his energy 😄

Originally posted by whirlysplat
OK my explanation of why this is impossible and how water and cells interact is on ne of the early pages😄 of this thread 😄

notworthy Enlighten me.

HEY WHIRLY....now that I have your attention....i want a witty response laced with sarcasm at my remarks and pictures!!! i feel ignored......lol

Molecular spin does not exist in perpetuity - it needs energy to continue spinning, or it will slow and eventually stop. Iceman commands a molecule to either absorb less energy, in which case it slows down or stop absorbing it altogether, in which case it stops entirely.

And I'm a Board Scientist.

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Originally posted by whirlysplat
Hi everyone😄 thanks for the nice comments Blair and thanks for the fine debate everyone, especially you illadelph.

Now lets slightly up the anti (I can't use smilies, I tried posting a similair rebuttle earlier and it said I had used to many and I lost the whole thing). Please Forgive me all; this is going to be a longish post, it will all come off the top of my head and if you need to rebut it I suspect you will have to go searching textbooks.)

Why is Water important? Life on earth depends upon its ability to act as a solvent for a huge number of polar molecules that serve as fuels, building blocks, catalysts and information carriers. High concentrations of of these particles coeist in water (note one, high concs of these particles) which are moving very fast in humans, turnover number of enzymes can run into a hundred thousand in a minute! In supes this would be super speed, basic physics tells us that speed creates frictiona and friction created heat. In supers case Super heat, the water inside supes would unfreeze as quick as Bobby tried to freeze it.

Now the excellence of water poses a problem 😄 it weakens the interactions between some polar molecules. Biological systems have solved this by creating water-free (micro-environments) where polar interactions have extra strength 😄.

Now the idea water can go here it wants in the body is bad science even with Bobby "willing" things to happen cell membranes have hydrophobic properties which stop this, (hydrophobic means lit. water hating) This creates cavities in water where molecules can sit and these are "forced" to form things like hydrogen bonds. Its water that is pushed around in the chemistry of the body, not water that does the pushing! Lets assume Supes body has Super redundantcies etc, to ensure this is more efficient at the atomic level (smiley) Water has an interesting property it bonds strongly to itself, so when one part of Bobby gets pushed a lot gets pushed, this is why he would be the one in trouble entering Supes not the other way around.

OK, now you talked about Photosynthesis (smiley) Whats waters role in this? Well its a suprising one, it gets broken down. Why? Well to produce energy. So what Whirly is saying is water is split so energy can be produced. But Whirly that would mean more water, more energy wouldn't it? Yup you betcha, as Supes can Solar charge himself to create more energy biochemically! So if its like Photosynthesis how would this splitting work Whirly? Well it gets pretty complicated but you guys are intelligent so I'll explain it. Water is shredded by enzymes as I tried to explain in earlier posts without the science bit (smiley) This is done at a subatomic level in Photosystem 2. The enzyme is even termed in every textbook I have ever read the water splitting enzyme (if you want to reference it). This is done to extract electrons from water so H+ (Hydrogen cations, little chem joke cations are pussytive) ions are liberated. The electrons go into the proton gradient an integral part of the photosystems and the cytochromes ability to produce energy (smiley). So you mean Whirly, water will make supes stronger? Yup proably. But you don't think water will do anything do you? No, because I think the aura is not produced this way and instead Bobby just will not interact at all!

Hope you all got that (can't use a smiley)

Keep th faith 😇

Keep Whirly 🤘

Ps. this was off my head, no text books were used but please feel free to research it 😄 "Stryer" the text I used as an undergraduate simply entitled "Biochemistry" would be a good place to start, its what taught me!

Please forgive any spelling I am truly Dyslexic and have to work hard to spell, sorry

Originally posted by demigawd
Molecular spin does not exist in perpetuity - it needs energy to continue spinning, or it will slow and eventually stop. Iceman commands a molecule to either absorb less energy, in which case it slows down or stop absorbing it altogether, in which case it stops entirely.

And I'm a Board Scientist.

His will comes from where? He does what to molecules 😂 and he does this without any energy himself (those damn laws of thermodynamics) Do they have laws of thermodynamics in marvel?

Gibberish

Originally posted by whirlysplat
He needs energy for the psions to interact if they are to reduce an energy state😄 Supes has meta ATP to power his biological processes, wheres bobby get his energy 😄

It's psionic energy, which like Meta ATP is entirely fake, but used to interact with any number of processes. The same way Meta ATP somehow makes superbreath sub-zero and allows him to see through anything except lead and allows him to move faster than light within earth's atmosphere and escape the pull of black holes. So you get your MATP as the basis for Superman arguments and I get psionic energy (not the same as psions) as the basis for mine.

ok so we are argueing where icemans brain is? wow.....its Comic book science it doesnt make sense....yet he can do it, as I proved through the pictures that I posted.....so why does it matter.....it just is.....

Is this "super" metabolism accompanied by "super" rates of cell division. If so how does he prevent rapid degradation of the telomeres eventually resulting in the loss functional DNA.

I anticipate an answer involving "super" telomerase but hopes that science god whirly comes up with something better.

Psionic energy = amount of power given to psions (theoretical not fake subatomic particles). No its the energy from meta ATP (fake but based on ATP a substance produced in the mitochondria which has energy stored in high energy bonds, which are released due to three catalytic sites in the binding mechanism having three conformational states, driven by proton flux). Which powers Supes brain to provide psions with energy to perform feats for him, the breath is how this manifests for Superman, how his brain makes sense of the changes he wants.

God I'm good 😄

Keep the faith 🤘

Stay Whirly 🤘

Sorry Blair your posts are not really for or against my argument 😄

Here play with this ball 😄

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Is this "super" metabolism accompanied by "super" rates of cell division. If so how does he prevent rapid degradation of the telomeres eventually resulting in the loss functional DNA.

I anticipate an answer involving "super" telomerase but hopes that science god whirly comes up with something better.

it of course lends "super stability" to all systems 😄

No Da Vinci, Newton, Archimedes they were Science gods, I am just well read and not fit to wipe their arses 😄

(BTW I don't like Iceman's power ups either and I could argue for or against - water that conducts nerve impulses = absurd. Irregardless Supes has more fans and I prefer the challenge.)

Am I to believe that supertelomerase extends telomeres at the exact same rate as it is reduced by cell division.

Also what stops "super" proteases from degrading ordinary proteins (since they are still produced from earth based amino acids) and if they are not produced from earth proteases where do they come from.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
(BTW I don't like Iceman's power ups either and I could argue for or against - water that conducts nerve impulses = absurd. Irregardless Supes has more fans and I prefer the challenge.)

Am I to believe that supertelomerase extends telomeres at the exact same rate as it is reduced by cell division.

Also what stops "super" proteases from degrading ordinary proteins (since they are still produced from earth based amino acids) and if they are not produced from earth proteases where do they come from.

The systems all have super homeostasis and therefore super stability 😄
Order is the function of all Supes systems hence he is still alive in JLA 1million, Usually systems require enery to stay stable, systems that look unstable on the micro but have giant energy inputs like the sun are extremely ordered on the macro. Supes is simply full of energy 😄

Keep the faith 🤘

Stay Whirly 😄

(Limited physics knowledge) but don't systems usually want low energy high entropy.

No high entropy means its disorder is high 😄