Iceman was able to freeze a blast of pure energy from the Stranger. If Bobby can freeze energy, he can freeze an energy field, first of all. Secondly, it's still meaningless because Bobby can still affect Superman internally, regardless of the forcefield...it doesn't block psionic energy because he's been telepathically assaulted, as well as the aforementioned attacks by MB and Polaris.
There's just no way for Superman to avoid being put on ice.
Where does he get the energy from for his psions to be controlled, where is his mind, how do you know his ability to slow things down is greater than Supes ability to maintain homeostasis, say at the end of the universe when Entrody ruled and Supes survived for a while till the boom tube opened in hunter/prey 😄 All discussed earlier 😄
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See, you're doing it again. His mind is on the Astral Plane, blah blah blah, Meta ATP gives super powers, blah blah blah. Bobby controls molecular spin. Superman has molecules and has been internally hurt and rendered helpless several times that way. Homeostasis only applies if it can get the signal to activate, and it won't because it's all frozen. Superman goes down.
Nope Systems respond thats how homeostasis works supes systems respond superfast all explained previously 😄
How do we know he can stop molecules where an input of energy is keeping them in a state of super order, all argued previously and you gave no asnswer beyond blah blah he controls molecular spin blah blah psions 😄
Wheres "your" explanation mine was hugely detailed as to energy and order in closed systems😄
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Nope Systems respond thats how homeostasis works supes systems respond superfast all explained previously 😄How do we know he can stop molecules where an input of energy is keeping them in a state of super order, all argued previously and you gave no asnswer beyond blah blah he controls molecular spin blah blah psions 😄
Wheres "your" explanation mine was hugely detailed as to energy and order in closed systems😄
Absolute Zero is the absence of kinetic energy, no? Molecular Movement = Kinetic Energy = Thermal Energy.
Exactly so CC you explain to me how you reduce something to absolute zero instantly without some form of energy input to slow the molecules and or an instant thermal gradient. Tell me what do you think the side effects of this instant maneover would be😄 especially if the other system you were reducing to zero had an an energy input that was very high to keep it moving. Please read the whole thread before posting😄 I guarantee you will have to do a lot of reading😄
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Originally posted by whirlysplat
Exactly so CC you explain to me how you reduce something to absolute zero instantly without some form of energy input to slow the molecules and or an instant thermal gradient.
Originally posted by whirlysplat
Tell me what do you think the side effects of this instant maneover would be😄 especially if the other system you were reducing to zero had an an energy input that was very high to keep it moving. Please read the whole thread before posting😄 I guarantee you will have to do a lot of reading😄
It's a comic Whirly. Iceman's power is to completly remove thermal energy. Regardless of how scientifically unsound a character's ability is,(like Flash & Supes vibrating,) they possess the said ability, simply because writers have designated it.
Originally posted by AvalonofthewindSuperman can project solar energy from his eyes as heat, and use his super strong lungs to create winds of enormous magnitude and extreme cold. Neither have anything to do with psionic molecular manipulation.
Just an extra point to the debate here:Supes also has the ability to psionically affect molecules...it's how his heat vision and Freeze breath work.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman can project solar energy from his eyes as heat, and use his super strong lungs to create winds of enormous magnitude and extreme cold. Neither have anything to do with psionic molecular manipulation.
No CC that was the kinda pre- post crisis idea. Its now psionic
and in answer to your earlier point. Bobby can stop all molecules and supes is invulnerable and hi field protects him from all attacks therefore Bobby's unsound Science cannot affect Supermans😄
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Originally posted by whirlysplat
Not what I said read back 😄
You (and everybody) keep referring to an energy field around Superman as the reason for his durability/invulnerability.
Originally posted by whirlysplat
No I am saying that no need for chemotaxis exists in supes cells as his receptors active changes in the density of his energy field( of an unkown type) Action Potentials can be generated as Na and K permeability is also selective to the field. So no blockage of Na channels could take place like with nerve gasses etc etc etc. Look up "selective" Keep playing with your balls XGlad your Whirly demi 😄
and quoting yourself instead of me to make a point 😄 good try 😄
(Again I'm no physicist) but I can't think why this energy (of unknown type) doesn't just dissipate and how it somehow maintains a static field a millimetre? micron? Angstrom? around each and every one of Superman's cells that varies in energy density in order to allow/accompany processes like exocytosis.
It doesn't maintain a static field, as I stated and explained in great detail previously and even offered a theoretical mechanism for its production and responsiveness, however it does have a default setting for every cell. But like nay system within an organism is responsive to homeostatic function😄 Endocytosis is not really a problem. as receptors in traditional endocytosis cross both membranes. Supes cells have extra organelles which may well be "energy receptor"s😄 which respond to cellular need. e.g inside the cell a second messenger stimulates the energy receptor organelle which in turn says its ok to do this or that for the energy field. I would suggest these organelles are all able to be overidden by supes psionic centre in his brain as a kind of danger reflex. Like we secrete Adrenalin under dangerous conditions the field instantly amps up. Increasing both stability of all systems and protection to external threats 😄
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Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Superman can project solar energy from his eyes as heat, and use his super strong lungs to create winds of enormous magnitude and extreme cold. Neither have anything to do with psionic molecular manipulation.
100% wrong. Its stated to be a psionic ability. Supes lungs technically do not have the capacity to do what they do and technically, he can project his heat vision from any part of his body. These abilities do not originate from his eyes, nor his lungs. This was stated post crisis as per Mr Byrne's revamp.
From what I have read, my feeble mind is able to discern the following about what most have stated is the nature of the biofield:
The biofield is a selectively permeable energy field (composed of an unknown energy type) through which substances/other forms of energy do not passively diffuse however primary and secondary active transport occurs via changes in field density.
This energy matrix is emitted from the surface of the bilayer, and remains as a third layer around each cell thus it does not dissipate. It is also energy retentive/exclusive, aside from light energy, Superman’s power source.
Problems with this model and questions for whirly, notworthy lord of science (hoping to stump you but I don’t like my chances 😂 ):
I’m assuming that the unknown energy is still part of the EM spectrum. How does the energy field selectively uptake/secrete ions and their bound water molecules? An ion channel composed of matter does this due to size and charge. How do chargeless photons select for the size and charge of ions? Are the bound water molecules of ions stripped by the receptors as occurs in normal human, or by the selectivity mechanism in the energy field? Why doesn’t the energy dissipate i.e. How does it remain a field around the cell?
Also the idea that Superman has both an incredibly rapid metabolism and is a closed system (other than the introduction of energy from sunlight) in perfect dynamic homeostatic equilibrium is flawed.
1) If the energy field is somehow heat exclusive it should also be heat retentive by the same means. As Superman’s metabolism runs at super speeds as has been so often stated then he simply overheats due to the heat produced by the biochemical reactions.
2) In the absence of light his thermally closed system increases in entropy (by that I mean energy unavailable to do work) to the point where there is no available energy rapidly due to the super rapid speed of his metabolic processes.
All that being said, Iceman's power is just as implausible and baseless as Superman's.
My points? A better model for Superman’s field is required and Superman’s powers have just as little scientific grounding as Iceman’s.
This debate is both pointless and going nowhere (as although scientifically impossible) the two characters in the comics are indestructible.
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