Iceman (full potential) vs. Superman

I never said energy was not being constantly released that what the default setting does. The Kield is niether retentive or exclusive to heat it is responsive. Supes extra organelles deal with fluctuations 😄 precise mechanism unknown perhaps the field is extra dimensional and the energy can be shunted there😄 Perhaps not 😄 The field as stated previously has default settings and only lets in out what supes requires😄 Obviously as I said before the system is constantly in flux so whilst be closed to the unwanted (homeostasis again) is open to beneficial change (part of the responsive nature stated at the begining o f thread almost).

Yes Supes powers are silly😄

but nowhere near as silly as Astral Planes 😄

As stated Supes is invulnerable

Bobby Drake is able to inhabit water 😆

I know who I'd rather be even if it means wearing my pants over tights!

Glad your Whirly X

Keep the faith 😆

Extradimensional. Precise mech unknown. No selectivity answer.
🙄
J/k
😆

But could it be? Did I really stump his whirlyness and his army of smilies?
I shall die content. 😂

Iceman can stop all molecules.
Superman's molecules cannot be stopped.

Pointless. I'm out.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Extradimensional. Precise mech unknown. No selectivity answer.
🙄
J/k
😆

But could it be? Did I really stump his whirlyness and his army of smilies?

Where was I stumped?

Please point it out😄

I shall die content. 😂

Iceman can stop all molecules.
Superman's molecules cannot be stopped.

Pointless. I'm out.

I think I have made my points all the way through this Bobby has no brain. Molecules cannot be stopped without energy going somewhere. The Astral Plane is Esoteric. Superman is invulnerable😄

I don't think you understood a word I said 🙁

although I have said this about ten times

Iceman can stop all molecules.
Superman's molecules cannot be stopped.

Keep the faith 🤘

Stay Whirly 😄

Originally posted by whirlysplat
I don't think you understood a word I said 🙁

Well... I only understood as far as my feeble undergrad mind could. 😄
I wanted specific mechanism answers to my specific questions about the model of the biofield that didn't involve anything comicbooky.

Another question if the biofield does allow heat to release and the reactions are superspeed then shouldn't Superman be releasing massive amounts of heat to a large radius making him very very very hot to the touch.

Also I agree a huge energy release would occur if something flashfroze but maybe it escapes extradimensionally 😛

I think the heat must be converted into his biofield and the biofield in turn keeps the reactions stable, they are interdependent. Either that or its lost interdimensionally etc etc.

Well its what happens with Nightcrawlers teleportation so it probably does in the Xverse. but at least we get a bamf Bobby doesn't bamf😄

I never said you were stupid, I would say your looking at single points rather than the big picture, i have tried to do both 😄

Keep the faith 😄

Stay Whirly 🤘

Supes is invulnerable 😄

Superman's biofield obviously doesn't work that way if he's been beaten up, made to bleed, caused pain or internally affected over and over and over again. Where was his super homeostasis when control over his own blood was wrested from him three or four times? Bobby has the ability to stop molecules, because he's done it. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that Superman's molecules cannot be stopped, because he's never prevented his molecules from being stopped so I don't know where anybody is getting that from.

Bobby can stop molecules because he's been shown to do them. Where does the energy go? The atmosphere? The Astral Plane? Nightcrawler's dimension? Extra-Dimensional ATP that Bobby absorbs, becoming more powerful in the process?

Superman cannot prevent his molecules from being stopped. He's shown no such ability...ever. He can't seem to prevent any invasive manipulation of his insides. In fact, I'd classify it as a weakness, really.

Pretty open and shut case, really.

Ahh supes usually only bleeds after huge kinetic impact, and i mean huge😄

All systems have a limit, I don't think Bobby's ability to stop molecules is up there with Doomsday. 😄

You do understand what Homeostasis means Demi? OK just to explain Supes has shown invulnerability lots of times that means his molecules energy is not reduced, your right it is completely open and shut 😄

Didn't work for white Martians, won't work for Bobby 😄

Lets not forget the Krypton man, aka the original Eradicator, who could do everything bobby can and far easier.
Or the cyborg supes...and best yet.
Darkseids beams that wipe you from existence and can bring back the dead.

If bobbys control stronger than Darkseids beams that can reconstitute the dead or wipe you from existence? Cant have much better molecule control than that....

Huge kinetic impact? Must be a LOT of REALLY powerful people, considering Superman was made to bleed by some nobody geek last month. I'm very unimpressed with his "invulnerability". If Superman's MATP were nearly as invincible as you make it out to be, he'd be a lot more like Juggernaut, who has really never been hurt. Superman has been hurt a lot. And like I keep saying but you're skillfully ignoring, his internal systems have been manipulated by others. And given that Bobby molecularly froze an IMMORTAL Elder God, I'd put his molecular manipulation abilities above Dr. Polaris, who successfully manipulated Superman's internal system with no problem whatsoever.

Sorry, Superman still gets owned.

And the difference between Bobby and Darkseid is that Darkseid's molecular manipulation isn't by sight, it's by what his beams are able to hit. Superman just dodges Darkseid's beams all the time. Superman would die quickly if he got nailed by Darkseid's wipeout beams. There isn't anything for Superman to dodge against Bobby...he'd just freeze.

Doctor Polaris did not manipulate Supes internal functions issue number please😄

Provided he could have any effect on Supes.
The man is invulnerable to this. The same way he would be invulnerable to burning, extreme gravity, sub zero cold of space...etc etc etc.

He has as much chance of controlling supes molecules and supes has of controlling his.

Bobby isnt doing anything...once again, supes can move faster than bobby can think, can freeze him, and while solid pull any number or ways to defeat him before an eye is even blinked. We both know this.

Supes has gotten hit by the beams before, and not have been wiped out from existence. He did say that they burned though.

Originally posted by whirlysplat
Doctor Polaris did not manipulate Supes internal functions issue number please😄

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Provided he could have any effect on Supes.
The man is invulnerable to this. The same way he would be invulnerable to burning, extreme gravity, sub zero cold of space...etc etc etc.

He has as much chance of controlling supes molecules and supes has of controlling his.

Bobby isnt doing anything...once again, supes can move faster than bobby can think, can freeze him, and while solid pull any number or ways to defeat him before an eye is even blinked. We both know this.

Supes has gotten hit by the beams before, and not have been wiped out from existence. He did say that they burned though.

Superman's speed would only be significant if he could use it to put Bobby down. There's really nothing Superman can do to beat Bobby. He'd likely smash or burn Bobby up, and think he'd won the fight, since there'd appear to be nothing left of him. And in actuality, he'd be just where Bobby wanted him.

Dr Polaris controlled the iron in supes blood please show me a scan 🙂

No scanner. But check your back issues for the Dr. Polaris issues. It would probably be easier for you to look up the Elite issues with Coldcast, since they're more recent. Look at the things he does to Superman internal systems. Even worse, look at what Manchester does in the same issue.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm but who wins?

Eh. It's a comic book. Good guys always win.

😄 Is supes killed or incapacitated for long?

Does his invulnerability and superhomeostatic systems protect him eventually😄

I think if the influence stops it kicks in. For example, in the Dr. Polaris storyline, IIRC, Polaris released his hold on the league because MM phased and Polaris couldn't affect the iron in his blood then, so he knocked him down which made everybody else active. Before that, Superman couldn't do anything. Ditto with Black. Black released his hold because, well, villains are arrogant like that. I imagine that when there's no longer direct influence being exerted that's when your superhomeostasis kicks in and Superman recovers really quickly after that. But that's an issue of CIS (character induced stupidity) or PIS (plot induced stupidity) than anything else.

I didn't work after he was released either did it as I remember. 😄