Iceman (full potential) vs. Superman

Originally posted by Avlon
Perhaps...but has Bobby ever had his body destroyed and then gone to defeat a herald leveler by taking over/freezing his body while bodyless himself?

Does a Celestial Ship count?
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After that incident, he goes on to freeze the Stranger, but you wanted a bodyless feat. Meh.

As for a time that he was destroyed and then took over someone's body, he was inside Fuego from Children of the Vault*. He went on to recreate himself inside of him, thereby killing him.
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*Fuego: has the appearance of a flaming skeleton, like Fever Pitch or Ghost Rider. He possesses magma powers that are fueled by the energy he gets from his surroundings.

Originally posted by Makky
Why not, clark already blanketted louis with his HV to keep her warm and he used his HV in a similar application to prevent this one opponent from teleporting by ionizing the air around them. All he really needs to do is blanet bobby with his HV or combine it with his x-ray to internally burn bobby.

Yeah, and theres no reason why this should have gpne 49 pages when supes has a very simple awnser to handle this.

Originally posted by Makky
Yeah, and theres no reason why this should have gpne 49 pages when supes has a very simple awnser to handle this.

It would work, heat of that magnitude would be enough to smoke Bobby. Im not going by this full potential nonsense since if we go by that logic no one under a asbtract could take bobby.

Originally posted by Makky
It would work, heat of that magnitude would be enough to smoke Bobby. Im not going by this full potential nonsense since if we go by that logic no one under a asbtract could take bobby.

So again, how is heat vision going to work?

Originally posted by Mindset
If you go by actually showings

I didn't say that. 🙂

Originally posted by Mindset
I didn't say that. 🙂

scans?

Sure.

lol

Originally posted by Mindset
If you go by actual showings you would know Bobby can exist in multiple places at once and can transfer his consciousness.

So again, how is heat vision going to work?

By melting him,usually wat heat does.

Originally posted by Makky
By melting him,usually wat heat does.

Gotcha.

It is not proven that Iceman can even freeze things below 30K. I don't even think he can reach -200C(73k). So him winning over Superman is pure speculation. I think someone that can take the cold of deep space (2.7K) like its a sunny day is immune to anything Iceman can do. Also Superman isn't made out of any water. This is probably why he doesn't freeze in space and can live indefinitely without food, water, and sleep. Thus there is no water in him to freeze. Lastly Juntai showed how Superman can take an absolute zero attack (something Iceman can never reach) and fair just fine. So if an infinite destructive cold attack can't end Superman then anything finite would be pure sunshine to Superman.

Also Superman's HV can get thousands of times hotter than the Sun.
Inside the Sun can't even make Superman's hair singe yet his HV does the job fine in cutting his hair. The Sun is capable of atomizing most substances (including h2o) instantly. Would do you think would happen if Superman shot Iceman with some potent HV? Iceman would instantly atomized. Good thing for Iceman that Superman holds back.

If Superman is unwilling to kill or bfr bobby in space then this is a stalemate. If Superman is indeed willing to kill or bfr bobby then he wins easily.

Originally posted by h1a8
It is not proven that Iceman can even freeze things below 30K. I don't even think he can reach -200C(73k). So him winning over Superman is pure speculation. I think someone that can take the cold of deep space (2.7K) like its a sunny day is immune to anything Iceman can do. Also Superman isn't made out of any water. This is probably why he doesn't freeze in space and can live indefinitely without food, water, and sleep. Thus there is no water in him to freeze. Lastly Juntai showed how Superman can take an absolute zero attack (something Iceman can never reach) and fair just fine. So if an infinite destructive cold attack can't end Superman then anything finite would be pure sunshine to Superman.

Also Superman's HV can get thousands of times hotter than the Sun.
Inside the Sun can't even make Superman's hair singe yet his HV does the job fine in cutting his hair. The Sun is capable of atomizing most substances (including h2o) instantly. Would do you think would happen if Superman shot Iceman with some potent HV? Iceman would instantly atomized. Good thing for Iceman that Superman holds back.

If Superman is unwilling to kill or bfr bobby in space then this is a stalemate. If Superman is indeed willing to kill or bfr bobby then he wins easily.

Nothing would happen, since Iceman could leave the area where he would be affected by Supermans heat vision.

Originally posted by h1a8
It is not proven that Iceman can even freeze things below 30K.

Originally posted by h1a8
Also Superman isn't made out of any water. This is probably why he doesn't freeze in space and can live indefinitely without food, water, and sleep. Thus there is no water in him to freeze.

Originally posted by h1a8
Also Superman's HV can get thousands of times hotter than the Sun.

That'll be all.

Originally posted by Allankles
Demigawd was super wrong. Electrolysis isn't the only way to hydrolyse water.

Supes can hydrolyse water with a lot less energy if he has ATP. His cells can hydrolyse water via photons.

And even if he doesn't have ATP, the energy in his body is so great that water will get hydrolysed.

We're talking high enough energy to not only break the chemical bonds between Hydrogen and Oxygen, but enough energy to split said elements at the atomic level.

The problem is you don't understand Icemans Powers to defend Superman's position. You keep saying cold cold cold the cold doesn't hurt the Superman... Well let me try and explain why being resistant or immune to cold is irrelevant in this debate.

Cold in the sense you are using it is not Icemans powers. Cold is just a side effect of his powers.

In a way, COLD is not Icemans power. Cold is a (Side Effect). His power is to manipulate (Slow Down or possibly stop) Internal energy which is the total of the kinetic energy due to the motion of molecules (translational, rotational, vibrational) and the potential energy associated with the vibrational and electric energy of atoms within molecules or crystals. It includes the energy in all of the chemical bonds, and the energy of the free, conduction electrons in metals.

Thermal energy per particle is also called the average translational kinetic energy possessed by free particles given by equipartition of energy.

Thermal energy is the difference between the internal energy of an object and the amount that it would have at absolute zero. It includes the quantity of kinetic energy due to the motion of the internal particles of an object, and is increased by heating and reduced by cooling.

Now when Iceman slows down the kinetic energy of something there is many side effects to this. One of those Side effects is what you would understand as a change in temperature to colder....

You can scan posts of superman being in an environment of just 1 above absolute zero complaining that its hot and it would be irrelevant and have nothing to do with Icemans powers. Cold is just ONE of many side effects of Iceman...

Now hear and understand

It is not possible for life to exist with no kinetic energy. Iceman will stop the spin of the particles on superman. Weather or not superman is hurt by the side effect of it being cold is irrelevant because he would have NO Kinetic energy. In a sense he will be dead. There is no communication of any type between cells to molecules and so on. Therefore there is nothing his body will do. It would actually stop light... It would actually have a better effect than taking away the sun and putting kryptonite inside him.

It's essentially the energy of motion. You know Kitnec is all motion,

You can scan posts of superman being in an environment of just 1 above absolute zero complaining that its hot and it would be irrelevant and have nothing to do with Icemans powers. Cold is just ONE of many side effects of Iceman...

Originally posted by Vanlore
The problem is you don't understand Icemans Powers to defend Superman's position. You keep saying cold cold cold the cold doesn't hurt the Superman... Well let me try and explain why being resistant or immune to cold is irrelevant in this debate.

Cold in the sense you are using it is not Icemans powers. Cold is just a side effect of his powers.

In a way, COLD is not Icemans power. Cold is a (Side Effect). His power is to manipulate (Slow Down or possibly stop) Internal energy which is the total of the kinetic energy due to the motion of molecules (translational, rotational, vibrational) and the potential energy associated with the vibrational and electric energy of atoms within molecules or crystals. It includes the energy in all of the chemical bonds, and the energy of the free, conduction electrons in metals.

Thermal energy per particle is also called the average translational kinetic energy possessed by free particles given by equipartition of energy.

Thermal energy is the difference between the internal energy of an object and the amount that it would have at absolute zero. It includes the quantity of kinetic energy due to the motion of the internal particles of an object, and is increased by heating and reduced by cooling.

Now when Iceman slows down the kinetic energy of something there is many side effects to this. One of those Side effects is what you would understand as a change in temperature to colder....

You can scan posts of superman being in an environment of just 1 above absolute zero complaining that its hot and it would be irrelevant and have nothing to do with Icemans powers. Cold is just ONE of many side effects of Iceman...

Now hear and understand

It is not possible for life to exist with no kinetic energy. Iceman will stop the spin of the particles on superman. Weather or not superman is hurt by the side effect of it being cold is irrelevant because he would have NO Kinetic energy. In a sense he will be dead. There is no communication of any type between cells to molecules and so on. Therefore there is nothing his body will do. It would actually stop light... It would actually have a better effect than taking away the sun and putting kryptonite inside him.

It's essentially the energy of motion. You know Kitnec is all motion,

You can scan posts of superman being in an environment of just 1 above absolute zero complaining that its hot and it would be irrelevant and have nothing to do with Icemans powers. Cold is just ONE of many side effects of Iceman...

and what makes you think Iceman can do that to Superman. prove it! prove it! 💃

Originally posted by Vanlore
The problem is you don't understand Icemans Powers to defend Superman's position. You keep saying cold cold cold the cold doesn't hurt the Superman... Well let me try and explain why being resistant or immune to cold is irrelevant in this debate.

Cold in the sense you are using it is not Icemans powers. Cold is just a side effect of his powers.

In a way, COLD is not Icemans power. Cold is a (Side Effect). His power is to manipulate (Slow Down or possibly stop) Internal energy which is the total of the kinetic energy due to the motion of molecules (translational, rotational, vibrational) and the potential energy associated with the vibrational and electric energy of atoms within molecules or crystals. It includes the energy in all of the chemical bonds, and the energy of the free, conduction electrons in metals.

Thermal energy per particle is also called the average translational kinetic energy possessed by free particles given by equipartition of energy.

Thermal energy is the difference between the internal energy of an object and the amount that it would have at absolute zero. It includes the quantity of kinetic energy due to the motion of the internal particles of an object, and is increased by heating and reduced by cooling.

Now when Iceman slows down the kinetic energy of something there is many side effects to this. One of those Side effects is what you would understand as a change in temperature to colder....

You can scan posts of superman being in an environment of just 1 above absolute zero complaining that its hot and it would be irrelevant and have nothing to do with Icemans powers. Cold is just ONE of many side effects of Iceman...

Now hear and understand

It is not possible for life to exist with no kinetic energy. Iceman will stop the spin of the particles on superman. Weather or not superman is hurt by the side effect of it being cold is irrelevant because he would have NO Kinetic energy. In a sense he will be dead. There is no communication of any type between cells to molecules and so on. Therefore there is nothing his body will do. It would actually stop light... It would actually have a better effect than taking away the sun and putting kryptonite inside him.

It's essentially the energy of motion. You know Kitnec is all motion,

You can scan posts of superman being in an environment of just 1 above absolute zero complaining that its hot and it would be irrelevant and have nothing to do with Icemans powers. Cold is just ONE of many side effects of Iceman...

This would only work assuming bobby is able to think faster then what clark is able to move and even then I doubt it would be very effective. I still think supes blanketting bobby in his HV for a immediate melt would be much quicker and a lot more possible.