Iceman (full potential) vs. Superman

Originally posted by Vanlore
He is just getting annoyed about how many people come in and do not read the entire thread there in before posting. But your point has been debated already and shown irrelevant in the fight. If you start with page 1 and read to present you will understand why. 😉

How is it shown irrelevant? There is no prep here. Iceman starts either in ice form or flesh form. I quick knock in the face would daze him enough to momentarily keeping him from using his powers. He can still be koed you know. Melting or vaporizing him does nothing but atomizing/disintegrating him would kill him. Bobby needs at least some h2o to remain alive. Superman can disintegrate him instantly if he was bloodlusted. The thing is, Superman isn't bloodlusted here and so can only win via knock out.

Also many underestimate the full potential of Superman. Supergirl is shown to be seemingly stronger than Superman. But guess what, this is because Superman holds back. If he didn't then he would be shown to be greatly stronger than Supergirl. This is true since we know that Superman is much stronger than Diana and Diana has physically overpowered Supergirl.

Uhm there's a scan in this thread that shows superman slowing down from being frozen. And that was just by being hit with some cryo blast thing. So try and pick a different reason for why freezing him wont work b/c it's already been proven to work. Funny enough the guy posting those was trying to show thats why you couldn't freeze superman. Oh and in the scan superman says he can feel his blood starting to slow and slosh through his veins. that looks like a clear indication to me that freezing him does work.

Originally posted by h1a8
What do you think the lack of energy does? It stops the motion of particles. And when you slow down the motion of particles guess what you get? You get the same side effects as merely freezing the particles.

No You would get (SOME) of the same side effects... And guess what.. The side effects are irrelevant anyways.

You show ignorance of physics in your statement. I do not think you would grasp the difference in lack of energy in a Environment to the ability to command the spin and not just motion of molecules.

What do I think lack of energy does? How about what do I think no energy does? Well I think no energy means no superman 😄

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Iceman at full potential has control over himself and all liquid at an atomic level. His consciousness somehow stays even when he's in a gaseous form. How could superman destroy every single atom of iceman before iceman froze his blood? Which has been shown to happen, and shown to be effective. The only reason superman didn't die is because he started moving and whatnot because it wasn't a continuous freezing, just an instant ice blast.

As long as Iceman's molecules stay intact he will remain alive and have consciousness. The molecules he needs is of the h2o kind. That is to say, Iceman cannot exist if his molecules were separated to mere atoms. If Iceman was teleported to the core of the Sun he would turn to atoms instantaneously. Superman's HV is much hotter than that of the core of the Sun. The Sun can't even make his hair singe yet his HV is hot enough to cut his hair.

Originally posted by h1a8
As long as Iceman's molecules stay intact he will remain alive and have consciousness. The molecules he needs is of the h2o kind. That is to say, Iceman cannot exist if his molecules were separated to mere atoms. If Iceman was teleported to the core of the Sun he would turn to atoms instantaneously. Superman's HV is much hotter than that of the core of the Sun. The Sun can't even make his hair singe yet his HV is hot enough to cut his hair.

Lol now you tell me you dont even know Icemans powers in this statement. So how are you going to have a say in anything?

Originally posted by Vanlore
I didn't say browse I mean read every post starting with page one. You give yourself away when you bring up Heat Vision or Speed Blitz Lol....

Are you implying that Superman won't bfr him into space because of its not in his character that this tactic wouldn't work? I've read nearly all of the posts here (if not all) but feel it is very rude for someone to even demand of a person to read every single post from 50pages when they can merely tell them the rebuttal. You have many newcomers here that don't know sh!t. Thus it is of great class just to tell a person why so and so wouldn't work. To demand of them to read the whole thread of 50 pages is asinine and completely rude.

Originally posted by h1a8
As long as Iceman's molecules stay intact he will remain alive and have consciousness. The molecules he needs is of the h2o kind. That is to say, Iceman cannot exist if his molecules were separated to mere atoms. If Iceman was teleported to the core of the Sun he would turn to atoms instantaneously. Superman's HV is much hotter than that of the core of the Sun. The Sun can't even make his hair singe yet his HV is hot enough to cut his hair.

Iceman at full potential is supposed to have control over atomic structure not molecular. And his hv has to be strong enough to cut his hair otherwise he would be a long bearded jesus looking guy. His heat vision is supposed to be as hot as the surface of the sun, but it gets changed to be as hot as needed. Either way how would he even see Iceman to hit him? This has already been argued in the thread. If iceman is in gas form you can't see him. he looks just like the rest of the h2o in the air.

Originally posted by h1a8
You have many newcomers here that don't know sh!t.

Originally posted by Vanlore
Lol now you tell me you dont even know Icemans powers in this statement. So how are you going to have a say in anything?

I know more about Iceman than you think. I not only use to read about him when I was a child I researched him and some of his best feats. Iceman has never been reduced to atoms ever. Vapor was the simplest form he has ever taken. The comics even explain that he can exist in the forms of vapor, water, ice, and flesh (not atoms).

Originally posted by h1a8
Are you implying that Superman won't bfr him into space because of its not in his character that this tactic wouldn't work? I've read nearly all of the posts here (if not all) but feel it is very rude for someone to even demand of a person to read every single post from 50pages when they can merely tell them the rebuttal. You have many newcomers here that don't know sh!t. Thus it is of great class just to tell a person why so and so wouldn't work. To demand of them to read the whole thread of 50 pages is asinine and completely rude.

Demand Demand !! Lol, I never demanded you to do anything. I said if you would like to understand why Iceman wins than you would need to start at page 1 and read every post... I said the other guy was annoyed with you for not doing that but never demanded nor made the same statement as him. 🙄

Originally posted by Mekrob
And a couple senior posters apparently...

Originally posted by h1a8
I know more about Iceman than you think. I not only use to read about him when I was a child I researched him and some of his best feats. Iceman has never been reduced to atoms ever. Vapor was the simplest form he has ever taken. The comics even explain that he can exist in the forms of vapor, water, ice, and flesh (not atoms).

If you destroy that he can instantly posses other moisture anywhere els... You know superman has fluid in him as well.

Originally posted by Vanlore
Demand Demand !! Lol, I never demanded you to do anything. I said if you would like to understand why Iceman wins than you would need to start at page 1 and read every post... I said the other guy was annoyed with you for not doing that but never demanded nor made the same statement as him. 🙄

I understand. But what you don't understand is that is rude.
Why not simply tell someone why Iceman wins. I'm sure someone who first sees this thread isn't going to want to read every single post from the beginning.

Originally posted by h1a8
I understand. But what you don't understand is that is rude.
Why not simply tell someone why Iceman wins. I'm sure someone who first sees this thread isn't going to want to read every single post from the beginning.

Well people have over and over and then more people come in and dont bother reading. Why should I have to constantly write 15 pages over and over of physics and info because someone els is to lazy to read?

When I said it, I didnt mean it in a hostile way. I just mean there is a wealth of knowledge and answers to the questions that have already been settle 😄

Originally posted by Vanlore
If you destroy that he can instantly posses other moisture anywhere els... You know superman has fluid in him as well.

Iceman is a statue to Superman. Superman can run over a billion circles around Iceman before one thought processes in Iceman's mind.

Superman's fluid is also resistant to its molecules being slowed. Otherwise he would freeze in deep space. He doesn't feel the slightest discomfort.

Originally posted by Vanlore
Well people have over and over and then more people come in and dont bother reading. Why should I have to constantly write 15 pages over and over of physics and info because someone els is to lazy to read?

When I said it, I didnt mean it in a hostile way. I just mean there is a wealth of knowledge and answers to the questions that have already been settle 😄

You can simply copy and paste or better yet quote your previous post. This is what I do.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong.

That'll be all. [/B]

I've seen the respect page. Nothing shows that Iceman can even reach 30K. One scan has him being helped to so called reach absolute zero (hyperbole if you ask me).
He says that on a good day he can get to within a spitting distance of absolute zero. I think 70k is a spitting distance don't you?

Originally posted by h1a8
I know more about Iceman than you think. I not only use to read about him when I was a child I researched him and some of his best feats. Iceman has never been reduced to atoms ever. Vapor was the simplest form he has ever taken. The comics even explain that he can exist in the forms of vapor, water, ice, and flesh (not atoms).

Check the Iceman respect thread. There's scans where it shows he could potentially be everywhere all at once. And as far as superman being able to withstand the freezing cold of space without dying...
celestial ships can probably withstand colder temps than superman i would imagine...and he freezes them completely.

Iceman Respect Scans

Originally posted by h1a8
Iceman is a statue to Superman. Superman can run over a billion circles around Iceman before one thought processes in Iceman's mind.

Superman's fluid is also resistant to its molecules being slowed. Otherwise he would freeze in deep space. He doesn't feel the slightest discomfort.

However Superman is not as fast as Iceman once he is without form and seeking moisture to posses.

Superman has been shown by scans to be hurt by indirect manipulation of his molecules being slowed. And he recovered from it really fast. If he has been shown to be hurt that much.. by indirect manipulation than direct manipulation from someone who has stop elders and celestial beings via direct stimulation by logic would effect him way more.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Uhm there's a scan in this thread that shows superman slowing down from being frozen. And that was just by being hit with some cryo blast thing. So try and pick a different reason for why freezing him wont work b/c it's already been proven to work. Funny enough the guy posting those was trying to show thats why you couldn't freeze superman. Oh and in the scan superman says he can feel his blood starting to slow and slosh through his veins. that looks like a clear indication to me that freezing him does work.

So the chrono scan means nothing I pressume, neither does supes speed or the fact that he blanket bobby in HV. I can play the game of overlooking feats too, and so far im not convinced bobby even has the reflexes to tract clark let alone freeze him.