Originally posted by Makky
This would only work assuming bobby is able to think faster then what clark is able to move and even then I doubt it would be very effective. I still think supes blanketting bobby in his HV for a immediate melt would be much quicker and a lot more possible.
You listen and read as well as you always have. Just put up some Supergirl pics and stop rehashing arguments that've already been disproven.
Originally posted by Enyalus
You listen and read as well as you always have. Just put up some Supergirl pics and stop rehashing arguments that've already been disproven.
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Anyhow what exactly is refutable about anything I've said, clark is faster(not even up for debate)and he has shown precise and very sophisticated control with his HV. It would be a complete leap in judgment to assume Bobby could even react to clark let alone anything else suggest on this thread.
Originally posted by Makky
.......?Anyhow what exactly is refutable about anything I've said, clark is faster(not even up for debate)and he has shown precise and very sophisticated control with his HV. It would be a complete leap in judgment to assume Bobby could even react to clark let alone anything else suggest on this thread.
He is just getting annoyed about how many people come in and do not read the entire thread there in before posting. But your point has been debated already and shown irrelevant in the fight. If you start with page 1 and read to present you will understand why. 😉
Originally posted by Vanlore
He is just getting annoyed about how many people come in and do not read the entire thread there in before posting. But your point has been debated already and shown irrelevant in the fight. If you start with page 1 and read you will understand to present you will understand why. 😉
I've browsed the thread, and to be honest the explanations as to why supes speed and HV don't matter are not convincing enough for me to believe it is"irrlevent". On the other hand, what I've heard in bobby's defense completly overlooks and demeans all of clarks abilities. You mind as well have just put in a wooden dummy with a "S"logo and have that entered into to this fight because that's pretty much how everyone is thinking supes will fight.
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman can disintegrate him before he can act.
Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Iceman at full potential has control over himself and all liquid at an atomic level. His consciousness somehow stays even when he's in a gaseous form. How could superman destroy every single atom of iceman before iceman froze his blood? Which has been shown to happen, and shown to be effective. The only reason superman didn't die is because he started moving and whatnot because it wasn't a continuous freezing, just an instant ice blast.
Well the biggest difference is supes wasn't using speed in that instance, and in this situation he will be. Unless we are to assume Bobby also has instantaneous speed and reaction I don't think he's pulling the gun on that"freezing whatever"excuse people are coming in with.
Originally posted by Makky
I've browsed the thread, and to be honest the explanations as to why supes speed and HV don't matter are not convincing enough for me to believe it is"irrlevent". On the other hand, what I've heard in bobby's defense completly overlooks and demeans all of clarks abilities. You mind as well have just put in a wooden dummy with a "S"logo and have that entered into to this fight because that's pretty much how everyone is thinking supes will fight.
I didn't say browse I mean read every post starting with page one. You give yourself away when you bring up Heat Vision or Speed Blitz Lol....
Originally posted by Vanlore
I didn't say browse I mean read every post starting with page one. You give yourself away when you bring up Heat Vision or Speed Blitz Lol....
I must have walked in during some heated convo but I am really lost to what the hell everyone is saying lol. Anyhow look, I've seen the arugments in favor for bobby and I simply think they are inpractical and highly impossible. Its a pretty simple concept, you wanna believe he wins then go for it.
Originally posted by Vanlore
The problem is you don't understand Icemans Powers to defend Superman's position. You keep saying cold cold cold the cold doesn't hurt the Superman... Well let me try and explain why being resistant or immune to cold is irrelevant in this debate.Cold in the sense you are using it is not Icemans powers. Cold is just a side effect of his powers.
In a way, COLD is not Icemans power. Cold is a (Side Effect). His power is to manipulate (Slow Down or possibly stop) Internal energy which is the total of the kinetic energy due to the motion of molecules (translational, rotational, vibrational) and the potential energy associated with the vibrational and electric energy of atoms within molecules or crystals. It includes the energy in all of the chemical bonds, and the energy of the free, conduction electrons in metals.
Thermal energy per particle is also called the average translational kinetic energy possessed by free particles given by equipartition of energy.
Thermal energy is the difference between the internal energy of an object and the amount that it would have at absolute zero. It includes the quantity of kinetic energy due to the motion of the internal particles of an object, and is increased by heating and reduced by cooling.
Now when Iceman slows down the kinetic energy of something there is many side effects to this. One of those Side effects is what you would understand as a change in temperature to colder....
You can scan posts of superman being in an environment of just 1 above absolute zero complaining that its hot and it would be irrelevant and have nothing to do with Icemans powers. Cold is just ONE of many side effects of Iceman...
Now hear and understand
It is not possible for life to exist with no kinetic energy. Iceman will stop the spin of the particles on superman. Weather or not superman is hurt by the side effect of it being cold is irrelevant because he would have NO Kinetic energy. In a sense he will be dead. There is no communication of any type between cells to molecules and so on. Therefore there is nothing his body will do. It would actually stop light... It would actually have a better effect than taking away the sun and putting kryptonite inside him.
It's essentially the energy of motion. You know Kitnec is all motion,
You can scan posts of superman being in an environment of just 1 above absolute zero complaining that its hot and it would be irrelevant and have nothing to do with Icemans powers. Cold is just ONE of many side effects of Iceman...
What do you think the lack of energy does? It stops the motion of particles. And when you slow down the motion of particles guess what you get? You get the same side effects as merely freezing the particles. If Superman can resist absolute zero (as Juntai has shown) which is the same as his molecules completely stopping then how is anything above absolute zero not going to be sunshine to Superman?
Also you are assuming that Iceman can indeed freeze anything (or slow down the molecules of), even if the object can greatly resist its molecules being slowed down or stopped. This is complete speculation. For example, no one here would believe that he can freeze CA's shield to the point where it becomes brittle and breaks easily. In comics there are beings who are capable without resisting transmutation. Meaning, no form of altering their particles would work. Superman has shown not only resistance to transmutation but to the slowing of his particles.
Originally posted by Makky
I must have walked in during some heated convo but I am really lost to what the hell everyone is saying lol. Anyhow look, I've seen the arugments in favor for bobby and I simply think they are inpractical and highly impossible. Its a pretty simple concept, you wanna believe he wins then go for it.
Interesting, how is it impossible for bobby to transfer his consciousness into fluid faster than the speed of light sense it is cannon and he does it all the time?
And when superman uses Heat Vision on Iceman which would allow him to transfer his consciousness faster than the speed of light into any fluid, how is that going to kill stop Iceman?
I'm just wondering since those are your arguments against Iceman..
Also you say you have read the logic of why Iceman wins and then state that you (must have walked in during heated convo) I find that to be a contradiction without further elaboration.
Originally posted by h1a8
What do you think the lack of energy does? It stops the motion of particles. And when you slow down the motion of particles guess what you get? You get the same side effects as merely freezing the particles. If Superman can resist absolute zero (as Juntai has shown) which is the same as his molecules completely stopping then how is anything above absolute zero not going to be sunshine to Superman?Also you are assuming that Iceman can indeed freeze anything (or slow down the molecules of), even if the object can greatly resist its molecules being slowed down or stopped. This is complete speculation. For example, no one here would believe that he can freeze CA's shield to the point where it becomes brittle and breaks easily. In comics there are beings who are capable without resisting transmutation. Meaning, no form of altering their particles would work. Superman has shown not only resistance to transmutation but to the slowing of his particles.
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