Iceman (full potential) vs. Superman

the universe can't be 0k....ever. as long as there is energy and matter (which generates and transforms into energy), there will always be a spark of heat somewhere.

and even if there was a spot in the blackest void of deep space outside of the actual collection of matter/energy known as the universe capable of being that temperature, to even witness it would generate some level of heat.

with that considered, in marvel, iceman can shunt even that residual heat away from that spot or his surrounding vivinity. he's even powerful enough to do that when he is in high temperature environments. (peak)

Originally posted by Vanlore
Oo transmutation has nothing to do with it. Also manipulation at those type of levels has almost a 100% success rate in the effecting superman in the comics...

A an enraged marshan fased him threw a table once and it hurt him bad lol. The scans have been posted already in this thread it you want to dig it up...

And your scans of him in ice....The fact that indirect stimulation hurt him means direct stimulation hurts him more..

There are low feats and high feats,but again as Juntai pointed out what can bobby do to supes that really hasn't been done before. A full ionization agaisnt bobby or a quick trip to the sun is enough IMO.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the universe can't be 0k....ever. as long as there is energy and matter (which generates and transforms into energy), there will always be a spark of heat somewhere.

and even if there was a spot in the blackest void of deep space outside of the actual collection of matter/energy known as the universe capable of being that temperature, to even witness it would generate some level of heat.

with that considered, in marvel, iceman can shunt even that residual heat away from that spot or his surrounding vivinity. he's even powerful enough to do that when he is in high temperature environments. (peak)

So then Bobby is a abstract now?

superman avoids killing at all costs. again, he didn't do it to darkseid or doomsday, iceman doesn't deserve a sun dip more than they do now does he?

Originally posted by Makky
There are low feats and high feats,but again as Juntai pointed out what can bobby do to supes that really hasn't been done before. A full ionization agaisnt bobby or a quick trip to the sun is enough IMO.

There are low feats and high feats..... Like that refuted anything i said ....

He would burn up threw the atmosphere by choice or posses superman's fluid and even if superman took him to the son you do know he can be in many places at once .. Are you reading this?

What Iceman going to do to supes that really hasn't been done before? Your question is Interesting as a statement... Think about that...

He would stop all kenetic energy in his body.. Then break him or put him in his freezer ...

Originally posted by psycho gundam
superman avoids killing at all costs. again, he didn't do it to darkseid or doomsday, iceman doesn't deserve a sun dip more than they do now does he?

lol this is what I love, so many blue moon instances are brought for so many characters like SS,thor yet with supes theres always this block about"not being in character". So if the fight is for a KO then clark would lose because bobby can't be KOéd lol.

Originally posted by Vanlore
There are low feats and high feats..... Like that refuted anything i said ....

He would burn up threw the atmosphere by choice or posses superman's fluid and even if superman took him to the son you do know he can be in many places at once .. Are you reading this?

Originally posted by Makky
So then Bobby is a abstract now?

at his highest levels, his cryokenisis can achieve absolute zero in earth's environment.

What Iceman going to do to supes that really hasn't been done before? Your question is Interesting as a statement... Think about that...

He would stop all kenetic energy in his body.. Then break him or put him in his freezer , use him as ice cubes in his tea?

Originally posted by Makky
lol this is what I love, so many blue moon instances are brought for so many characters like SS,thor yet with supes theres always this block about"not being in character". So if the fight is for a KO then clark would lose because bobby can't be KOéd lol.

(*herald mindset)

p.s. galen, is that you? you're a "new" poster and you already have angst.

😖hifty:

Originally posted by Vanlore
There are low feats and high feats..... Like that refuted anything i said ....

He would burn up threw the atmosphere by choice or posses superman's fluid and even if superman took him to the son you do know he can be in many places at once .. Are you reading this?

Well its pretty self explantory, there are feats that are favorable and others that are not. I take what Juntai said as being a more accurate depiction of clark but if u feel differently then so be it, I can't really argue for a bad showing if thats the only thing u want to consider. I don't think Bobby can posse supes fluids or feeze him, the feats and explanations have already been posted as to why and at this point its just a mindless protraction of the same argument. You think bobby wins and I think he loses, lets just agree to disagree 😮‍💨 .

Edit😖till don't see why internal iozination of bobby won't work but meh,guess it doesnt matter when he can be whatever the posters here want him to be.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
thor and silver surfer* have killed...a lot. thor has no qualms about killing an enemy.

(*herald mindset)

p.s. galen, is that you? you're a "new" poster and you already have angst.

😖hifty:

SS kills, you mean the pacifest emo boy lol.

Originally posted by Makky
Well its pretty self explantory, there are feats that are favorable and others that are not. I take what Juntai said as being a more accurate depiction of clark but if u feel differently then so be it, I can't really argue for a bad showing if thats the only thing u want to consider. I don't think Bobby can posse supes fluids pr frfeeze him, the feats and explanations have already been posted as to why and at this point its just a mindless protraction of the same argument. You think bobby wins and I think he loses, lets just agree to disagree 😮‍💨 .

But see you just make that as a statement and we use logic and show on panel superman being effected by indirect stimula and superman being fased and teleported and just being hurt from indirect cold around him.. Yet Iceman Froze a being whos very power is was like.. matter manipulation ect..

Originally posted by Makky
SS kills, you mean the pacifest emo boy lol.

Originally posted by Vanlore
But see you just make that as a statement and we use logic and show on panel superman being effected by indirect stimula and superman being fased and teleported and just being hurt from indirect cold around him.. Yet Iceman Froze a being whos very power is was like.. matter manipulation ect..

Right, but we also have Juntai's post that perfectly counteracts those examples so as I said if those are pariticular cherry pickings of youre's theres no use arguing.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
yep, galen's snuck back in again.

.......who?

Im new so I don't understand the in-crowd lingo here, im trying to wing it but honestly guy I'm a bit confused.

Originally posted by Makky
Right, but we also have Juntai's post that perfectly counteracts those examples so as I said if those are pariticular cherry pickings of youre's theres no use arguing.

Yes but see I read the entire thread and understand why her posts is irrelevant since he can be in many places at once and regardless of cell damage or internal activity of superman ect which has already been refuted. Iceman would stop all superman's Kinetic energy and the side effects he might be resistant too are void...

Valnore wins. Now enjoy this video.

The Count

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the universe can't be 0k....ever. as long as there is energy and matter (which generates and transforms into energy), there will always be a spark of heat somewhere.

and even if there was a spot in the blackest void of deep space outside of the actual collection of matter/energy known as the universe capable of being that temperature, to even witness it would generate some level of heat.

with that considered, in marvel, iceman can shunt even that residual heat away from that spot or his surrounding vivinity. he's even powerful enough to do that when he is in high temperature environments. (peak)

The Bobby arguments are a bit all over the place.

At the end of the day his powers depend on being able to slow down localized vibrations in molecules and particles. He doesn't transmute molecules or anything.

Water is the one thing his powers can manipulate. He's not going to take over non-water based molecules and shut them down because he has no control over anything outside of water.

The H2O molecules gain thermal energy from a system and then that energy is shut down by Iceman.

If he shuts down a reactor or a molten rock it is via the moisture that surrounds said substance/object. Iceman himself is water based for this reason. Unless people want to go against canon?

That's why I'm saying the Iceman arguments are all over the place. Supes generates too much energy externally and internally for Iceman's powers to have an effect, better he can actually split substances at the atomic level.

Supes has has an internal nuclear reactor which will hydrolyse water (the very molecules Iceman needs to control thermal energy).

Originally posted by Allankles
The Bobby arguments are a bit all over the place.

At the end of the day his powers depend on being able to slow down localized vibrations in molecules and particles. He doesn't transmute molecules or anything.

Water is the one thing his powers can manipulate. He's not going to take over non-water based molecules and shut them down because he has no control over anything outside of water.

The H2O molecules gain thermal energy from a system and then that energy is shut down by Iceman.

If he shuts down a reactor or a molten rock it is via the moisture that surrounds said substance/object. Iceman himself is water based for this reason. Unless people want to go against canon?

That's why I'm saying the Iceman arguments are all over the place. Supes generates too much energy externally and internally for Iceman's powers to have an effect, better he can actually split substances at the atomic level.

Supes has has an internal nuclear reactor which will hydrolyse water (the very molecules Iceman needs to control thermal energy).

Easy - Bobby's is conscious, Superman's isn't. Superman's have been invasively permeated by pretty much anybody who has psionic command of molecules - like the aforementioned Manchester Black and Dr. Polaris.

Bobbys Power are psionic.. Which has been shown to overpower god like beings with matter manipulation... So it overrides sups easy...