Iceman (full potential) vs. Superman

Originally posted by Raoul
by human standards.

superman isn't human.

the fact that he doesn't NEED hydration alone should be enough to dispel any argument that he's somehow as exploitable as a normal humans.

some moisture? sure. he does bleed, have sex, etc.

there's nothing to suggest he relies on it the way we do. thats unless you can prove that his body can convert sunlight in to water, which in itself would further reinforce the fact that superman isn't human.

his blood/bodily fluids could be made up of anything...

If he has moisture then he has hydration.. vise versa ... Oo You admit he needs moisture... Same thing...

Hydration is When a molecule has water molecules attached to it....

If he did not have that he would be dirt so he must need it ....

you should put that scan inside supes body when supergirl and superboy goes inside.

Originally posted by Vanlore
If he has moisture then he has hydration.. vise versa ... Oo You admit he needs moisture... Same thing...

Hydration is When a molecule has water molecules attached to it....

If he did not have that he would be dirt so he must need it ....

Now you don't have a clue of what you are talking about.
Is liquid nitrogen dirt? There is countless amount of liquid substances that don't have any water molecules attached to them.

Originally posted by h1a8
Now you don't have a clue of what you are talking about.
Is liquid nitrogen dirt? There is countless amount of liquid substances that don't have any water molecules attached to them.

Yeah he might be something like pure nitrogen when Iceman is done with him lol .. jk but for real....

Explain to me how he is going to utilaize pure nitrogen for moisture or hydration with pure nitrogen or any of the other substances you can name....

why is blood red hmmm

The protein hemoglobin, which carries oxygen in the blood, changes shape when
it binds oxygen. When it changes shape, it absorbs different wavelengths of light,
making it change color. When blood is exposed to air, much more of the hemoglobin
absorbs oxygen than had in the vein the blood came from (in the veins, the hemoglobin
has already given up most of its oxygen to the body). Therefore, the blood turns red.

Well supermans blood is red... He has been cloned using his blood..

The magic substance you are trying to pull out of thin air insert and say he is immune with no abolutely no evdince is going to have to meet the following with an explination as why his blood is red and ect with your new mystery substance..

I have never seen superman fart or burp fog before... Have you?

With what we have seen in the comics and the color of his blood being red , The most logical conclusion is that he is hydrated with h20.

I mean you been shown on panel evidence with scans and logic ect and had things explained to you and then you just say no I reject it with no logic....

But you want to tell me superman somehow does not use moisture by h20 with no scans no explanation nothing ....

Just wowzers superman has acid blood... Is not going to work with me..

The point I am making about the blood thing is this. I know you could say the color of his blood has nothing to do with what (magic substance) you want to state in use for mosture in superman.. But then you would of missed the point...

If we know why our blood is red and we find a new species of something and its blood is red.... Do we then assume his blood is radiclay different from ours or do we say it must be similar if not the same?

Same with comics....

Also if he does not use H20 for moisture then he would have to be getting it from something on earth sense thats were he has spent like his life.... And he was still getting it when he has lost his powers on earth... So what substance is it?

I'm sure it could not be a substance that is harmful to any human thats for sure.. Because the times he lost his powers then he would be hurt by anything that would harm normal humans like.... liquid nitrogen and the other substances you was thinking of.. I'm sure..-

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Originally posted by Vanlore
If he has moisture then he has hydration.. vise versa ... Oo You admit he needs moisture... Same thing...

Hydration is When a molecule has water molecules attached to it....

If he did not have that he would be dirt so he must need it ....

that's not the point. a human body has what, 75% water?

there's no evidence a kryptonian body has that same content.

i never admitted he needed hydration/moisture.

i have a bit of a beard, but i could shave it off at any time.

just because superman shows a bit of hydration doesn't make it necessary to his survival.

assuming hydration is to superman what it is to us is baseless, imo.

Originally posted by skygunner41
you should put that scan inside supes body when supergirl and superboy goes inside.

i put it in the respect thread a while back, i think...

A better way to explain what I am saying. Superman does not need to drink water.. Why because his powers sustain his hydration. Raoul.... If Clark looses his powers does he need to drink water or not?? If he does need to drink water explain to me why Clark needs water??

Not decided.

But can anyone name a single organism that doesn't require water?

Originally posted by Vanlore
A better way to explain what I am saying. Superman does not need to drink water.. Why because his powers sustain his hydration. Raoul.... If Clark looses his powers does he need to drink water or not?? If he does need to drink water explain to me why Clark needs water??

Oh, a nice argument there. 🙂

Originally posted by Vanlore
A better way to explain what I am saying. Superman does not need to drink water.. Why because his powers sustain his hydration. Raoul.... If Clark looses his powers does he need to drink water or not?? If he does need to drink water explain to me why Clark needs water??

so you're saying a depowered superman would lose to iceman, but a powered one wouldnt?

yes, its generally assumed that with no powers, he needs food, water and so on to survive.

Originally posted by Placidity
Not decided.

But can anyone name a single organism that doesn't require water?

plenty of gl's.

Originally posted by Raoul
so you're saying a depowered superman would lose to iceman, but a powered one wouldnt?

yes, its generally assumed that with no powers, he needs food, water and so on to survive.

So when he has no powers his body use h2o for hydration.. Logic would state that is the hydration his body sustains when he has his powers....

plenty of gl's.

No thats not what I said...

I said

Originally posted by Vanlore
A better way to explain what I am saying. Superman does not need to drink water.. Why because his powers sustain his hydration. Raoul.... If Clark looses his powers does he need to drink water or not?? If he does need to drink water explain to me why Clark needs water??....

Originally posted by Vanlore
No thats not what I said...

I said

Originally posted by Vanlore
A better way to explain what I am saying. Superman does not need to drink water.. Why because his powers sustain his hydration. Raoul.... If Clark looses his powers does he need to drink water or not?? If he does need to drink water explain to me why Clark needs water??....

because its generally held that when superman is depowered, he's like normal humans. his powers seem to have a massive effect on his body.

therein lies the problem though.

superman when powered is inexplicable. his powered self tends to completely contradict his non powered self.

manipulation of hydrated molecules within superman would be difficult due to his bio aura.

freezing him in any sense really isn't possible unless it's magic in nature.

I don't know if this is what Vanlore was going to follow up and say, but anyways...

If depowered Clark requires water, then in his normal state, it is not his physiology that lets him survive without water, but rather his "super powers".

Originally posted by Raoul
because its generally held that when superman is depowered, he's like normal humans. his powers seem to have a massive effect on his body.

therein lies the problem though.

superman when powered is inexplicable. his powered self tends to completely contradict his non powered self.

manipulation of hydrated molecules within superman would be difficult due to his bio aura.

freezing him in any sense really isn't possible unless it's magic in nature.

So without his powers you are saying his body his anatomy is like a humans.. Thats funny....

Therefore when he has his powers by logic you should conclude that it sustains his moisture va h20.. He just has his powers to do it with, Or that his body may produce it itself but to say ,,, o its made of this magic this or that would not be in line with the logic you just stated about him being generally human without his powers..

Originally posted by Placidity
I don't know if this is what Vanlore was going to follow up and say, but anyways...

If depowered Clark requires water, then in his normal state, it is not his physiology that lets him survive without water, but rather his "super powers".

but thats the problem. every bit of sustenance he could possibly need is provided for by the sun. his body becomes an incredibly clean, incredibly efficient, well, reactor of sorts.

there's no waste, no by products, no nothing. every single solitary bit is almost perfect.

it's writer error more than anything. de-powered kryptonians are written so rarely that they just tend to make them like humans...

Hmm so supes doesnt use the bathroom?

Originally posted by Raoul
but thats the problem. every bit of sustenance he could possibly need is provided for by the sun. his body becomes an incredibly clean, incredibly efficient, well, reactor of sorts.

there's no waste, no by products, no nothing. every single solitary bit is almost perfect.

it's writer error more than anything. de-powered kryptonians are written so rarely that they just tend to make them like humans...

So he makes his own h2o... Iceman uses it then..

Iceman couldn't just freeze Superman. Sorry but not possible. Couple of reasons why-

Kryptonians might not be 75% water like humanity, and his body might not need moisture the way humans do.

Superman zips arouund space in spandex. Although spandex does hold a certain amount of heat in, it might as well be a wet pair of pantyhose out in space. Not only would his balls become nonexistant but he'd become a frickin' mancicle; somewhat tasty frozen treat. Space is pretty frickin' cold and anyone who says that the majority of it isn't is insane. I mean, besides the areas around the happy little balls of flames we call suns (or stars) there's not that much heat. Look at the arrangement of the planets for an example. The ons closer to the sun are nice and toasty but you don't se any frickin' heat-pit jungles on Pluto. I mean, look up the temperature of Pluto. Go ahead. It's below 0. planets generate a degree of heat due to their cores and no, MOONS are not planets so for you cotton swab brains out there, don't try to pull those supposedly lifeless balls of rocks into this.

Superbeefcake most likely can't get rozen unless it's by magic since he seems to have one hell of an issue with the stuff, like the person above mentioned.

THEN there's the fact that Supes can affect the vibrational frequency of his own molecules.. he can move fast enough to be intangible and so on.

There's other things but I feel like I am rambling so I'm going to just drop this load and wander off for a while. Maybe lurk some.

So all in in all.....

Superman- 1
Iceman- FAIL